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Release Lockerbie bomber Abdelbasset Ali al-Megrahi or not?

release al-Megrahi from prison or not?

  • al-Megrahi should die in a Scottish prison serving his sentence

    Votes: 61 37.4%
  • Transfer al-Megrahi to a Libyan jail to continue his sentence at home

    Votes: 19 11.7%
  • Release al-Megrahi on compassionate grounds

    Votes: 83 50.9%

  • Total voters
    163
He was found guilty. End of. Oh wait. He appealed, and was found guilty again. End of. Oh wait, and then he appealed. Again. And was found guilty.

He then dropped his next appeal so he could take tea with Gadaffi... Fucking hilarious (if you're not one of the victims' family members)
 
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Or spend their days picking broken glass out their food if they fall foul of the repulsive judgment of the criminal mob. I can't comment personally on life in an asylum, but I imagine the regime, and the type of people incarcerated there, aren't the same as the inmates Megrahi would associate with. Even if they were, four months and sixty-odd years are clearly separate prospects.

Even if we returned to disciplined prisons the prospect of a lifetime's confinement is daunting, to say the least. The Italian inmates who petitioned their government for the right to be executed certainly didn't fancy life inside.

Besides, it's not life in prison I was objecting to (although I do object to it) but specifically forcing an inmate to die of a terminal illness in gaol. Yes, convicts have lost their right to be free but not their right to be free of cruel and unusual punishment, as guaranteed in the Bill of Rights, 1689 (and its Scottish equivalent).

Well if the picking brocken glass out of one's food is accurate then that is patently wrong. Prison should be about loss of freedom not loss of personal safety.

I just think its about the simplicity of words..

27 years should mean 27 years
life should mean life ..

What is the difference between al-Megrahi getting prostate cancer and Myra Hindley or Ian Bradey or Ian Huntley or Rosa West dying of old age.

At the end of our lives, something usually gets us, its rarely called old age these days because we are so developed at diagnosing illness.

Were Myra Hindley or Rose West to get an illness, I can't see them being released on compassionate grounds.
 
He was found guilty. End of.
Not by a jury, not in open court.

Did you look at the assessment of the evidence Paul Foot? It's cringingly embarrassing. How about the documents the CIA withheld at his 'trial'?

Imo, Lockerbie really had to be an Iranian respose to Flight 655/USS Vincennes case. Nothing to do with this man or Libya - in that I agree with Jim Swire, who is no one's fool.
 
Not by a jury, not in open court.

Did you look at the assessment of the evidence Paul Foot? It's cringingly embarrassing. How about the documents the CIA withheld at his 'trial'?

Imo, Lockerbie really had to be an Iranian respose to Flight 655/USS Vincennes case. Nothing to do with this man or Libya - in that I agree with Jim Swire, who is no one's fool.

OK, so why do you think he's been freed?

Pragmatically. Leaving aside 'compassion' (because i think we all know thats utter bullshit)
 
OK, so why do you think he's been freed?

Pragmatically. Leaving aside 'compassion' (because i think we all know thats utter bullshit)

It's not bullshit though - there's a provision in Scottish law that allows terminally ill prisoners to apply for release if they have less than three months to live. They didn't just make it up for him specially.
 
OK, so why do you think he's been freed?

Pragmatically. Leaving aside 'compassion' (because i think we all know thats utter bullshit)

Because they knew he was a pasty all along, he didn't do it all off his own back even if you do believe the guilty verdict.
 
It's not bullshit though - there's a provision in Scottish law that allows terminally ill prisoners to apply for release if they have less than three months to live. They didn't just make it up for him specially.

So why have they turned down 9 other cases and freed the biggest mass murderer in british history?
 
Because they knew he was a pasty all along, he didn't do it all off his own back even if you do believe the guilty verdict.

He was partially responsible... but of course he wasn't the only one involved. Gadaffi himself was undoubtedly involved. It would be naive to assume money and influence wasn't involved in this decision.
 
I am glad to see that the vote has indicated a preference to releasing the man. The rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves.
 
OK, so why do you think he's been freed?

Pragmatically. Leaving aside 'compassion' (because i think we all know thats utter bullshit)
Short version:

US and British governments want to avoid the embarrassment of an appeal which would actually look at the evidence
US and British oil companies want the oil contracts
Salmond looks a humanitarian hero standing up to the USA
Gaddafi secures the release of the hero

The NYT tries to remain polite but explains some of the realpolitik:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/22/world/europe/22lockerbie.html?hpw
 
So why have they turned down 9 other cases and freed the biggest mass murderer in british history?

At a guess because the other 9 didn't meet the requirements of the release clause.

Good on the Scottish government in telling the Yanks to go suck one.
 
At a guess because the other 9 didn't meet the requirements of the release clause.

Good on the Scottish government in telling the Yanks to go suck one.

Jesus. you should run for parliament..

Your inferiority complex alone is the reason for releasing this guy then?
 
4 courts of law disagree
I don't know where you get that figure from. The courts he has been in front of have been presented with some of the most tainted evidence in Britisih criminal history (and that's saying something). On top of that he was denied access to vital evidence that throws a serious degree of doubt on his conviction:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdelbaset_Ali_Mohmed_Al_Megrahi

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/sections.php?section_link=in_the_back&issue=1243

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/foc...relatives_no_nearer_finding_out_the_truth.php

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article5769572.ece

The review of his case found six areas where his conviction could have been deemed unsafe, hence the referral for the 2nd appeal.

Maybe we should have used the American 'punishment' for destroying an innocent airliner - promotion and a medal?
 
Well if the picking brocken glass out of one's food is accurate then that is patently wrong. Prison should be about loss of freedom not loss of personal safety.

I just think its about the simplicity of words..

27 years should mean 27 years
life should mean life ..

What is the difference between al-Megrahi getting prostate cancer and Myra Hindley or Ian Bradey or Ian Huntley or Rosa West dying of old age.

At the end of our lives, something usually gets us, its rarely called old age these days because we are so developed at diagnosing illness.

Were Myra Hindley or Rose West to get an illness, I can't see them being released on compassionate grounds.
Because there's no doubt over Hindley's, Brady's, Huntley's or West's convictions.
 
Jesus. you should run for parliament..

Your inferiority complex alone is the reason for releasing this guy then?
So you're saying you know the ins and outs of the other early release appeals, do you? Please, don't be shy, tell the world about this fantastic conspiracy theory.
 
So you're saying you know the ins and outs of the other early release appeals, do you? Please, don't be shy, tell the world about this fantastic conspiracy theory.

I don't know the details, no. But I suspect the other people appealing wouldn't be blinged up, flying by private jet to take tea with the great and the good (who also happen to have a certain amount of oil under their control).

Therein lies the difference. I'd love to think there was any other reason. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature. But this one stinks.
 
Life very rarely means life in this country. For Megrahi his sentence basically has meant life, give or take a few months. I think justice was done.
 
I don't know the details, no. But I suspect the other people appealing wouldn't be blinged up, flying by private jet to take tea with the great and the good (who also happen to have a certain amount of oil under their control).

Therein lies the difference. I'd love to think there was any other reason. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature. But this one stinks.
Most other people aren't in the middle of a political fuss involving 3 countries.
 
Life very rarely means life in this country. For Megrahi his sentence basically has meant life, give or take a few months. I think justice was done.

This guy helped killed 270 innocent people. And now he's allowed to spend ramadan with his family. That's justice?

Bonkers.
 
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