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Release Lockerbie bomber Abdelbasset Ali al-Megrahi or not?

release al-Megrahi from prison or not?

  • al-Megrahi should die in a Scottish prison serving his sentence

    Votes: 61 37.4%
  • Transfer al-Megrahi to a Libyan jail to continue his sentence at home

    Votes: 19 11.7%
  • Release al-Megrahi on compassionate grounds

    Votes: 83 50.9%

  • Total voters
    163
Oh, it's definitely about playing to the gallery but you do get the feeling they haven't exactly thought this through...

on the contrary - its brilliantly thought through.

the UK government gets domestic and US brownie points for honking off about al-Megrahni while knowing that the current 'government' in Libya is in no state to start exraditing anyone, and knowing that even if they were, the matter is controlled by the Scottish government and they aren't interested in extradtion (or revoking his licence) so the UKG will never actually have to deal with the mess of him making an appeal - and worse, possibly winning it. further it allows the UKG to produce a 'we knew they were badduns as soon as they said no to sending back Al-Megrahni' clause as soon as Libya goes tits up and we find we've been giving close air support to the Mafia and Al-Quida.

when he dies the matter can be parked, and then if neccesary used either against the NTC as a way of seperating Cameron from a fcuk up, or politially against the SNP in an independance referendum.
 
At the time of the trial I was working with APTN and those covering the case said that 100% of the journos there knew that he had not much to do with it. The attack was orchastrated by the Iranians in revenge for the US downing one of their airliners with barely an appology.

Some evidence would be nice?
 
Sorry that evidence is in the kitchen drawer and I'm fucked if I'm gonna get up and go in there just to provide you with conclusive proof of who/what/why with regards to Pan Am 103.
 
Something conclusive ideally.

I doubt it is still in print (and indeed its probably been mentioned on the thread already), but there was a very good Private Eye special on the bombing, the investigation and the trial which cited the Iran theory as being considerably more likely than the official version of events. Here are some articles detailing it:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100006385/lockerbie-did-we-jail-the-wrong-man/
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v29/n12/hugh-miles/inconvenient-truths

Though I should also state that an alternate theory of events isnt really required to think that Megrahi was wrongfully convicted.

edit: and Kebabking, noone wants Megrahi brought back, unless they can guarantee he will die before his appeal.
 
Aye, but some sort of basis for saying it was the Iranians is what was asked for here.

From the LRB article:

The case against Jibril and his gang is well established. It runs like this: in July 1988, five months before the Lockerbie bombing, a US naval commander aboard USS Vincennes in the Persian Gulf shot down an Iranian airbus, apparently mistaking it for an attacker. On board Iran Air Flight 655 were 270 pilgrims en route to Mecca. Ayatollah Khomeini vowed the skies would ‘rain blood’ in revenge and offered a $10 million reward to anyone who ‘obtained justice’ for Iran. The suggestion is that the PFLP-GC was commissioned to undertake a retaliatory bombing.
We know at least that two months before Lockerbie, a PFLP-GC cell was active in the Frankfurt and Neuss areas of West Germany. On 26 October 1998, German police arrested 17 terrorist suspects who, surveillance showed, had cased Frankfurt airport and browsed Pan Am flight timetables. Four Semtex-based explosive devices were confiscated; a fifth is known to have gone missing. They were concealed inside Toshiba radios very similar to the one found at Lockerbie a few weeks later. One of the gang, a Palestinian known as Abu Talb, was later found to have a calendar in his flat in Sweden with the date of 21 December circled. New evidence, now in the hands of al-Megrahi’s defence, proves for the first time that Abu Talb was in Malta when the Lockerbie bombing took place. The Maltese man whose testimony convicted al-Megrahi has also identified Abu Talb. During al-Megrahi’s trial Abu Talb had a strange role. As part of a defence available in Scottish law, known as ‘incrimination’, Abu Talb was named as someone who – rather than the accused – might have carried out the bombing. At the time he was serving a life sentence in Sweden for the bombing of a synagogue, but he was summoned to Camp Zeist to give evidence. He ended up testifying as a prosecution witness, denying that he had anything to do with Lockerbie. In exchange for his testimony, he received lifelong immunity from prosecution.
Other evidence has emerged showing that the bomb could have been placed on the plane at Frankfurt airport, a possibility that the prosecution in al-Megrahi’s trial consistently ruled out (their case depended on the suitcase containing the bomb having been transferred from a connecting flight from Malta). Most significantly, German federal police have provided financial records showing that on 23 December 1988, two days after the bombing, the Iranian government deposited £5.9 million into a Swiss bank account that belonged to the arrested members of the PFLP-GC.
The decision to steer the investigation away from the PFLP-GC and in the direction of Libya came in the run-up to the first Gulf War, as America was looking to rally a coalition to liberate Kuwait and was calling for support from Iran and Syria. Syria subsequently joined the UN forces. Quietly, the evidence incriminating Jibril, so painstakingly sifted from the debris, was binned.
Those who continued to press the case against the PFLP-GC seemed to fall foul of American law. When a New York corporate investigative company asked to look into the bombing on behalf of Pan Am found the PFLP-GC responsible, the federal government promptly indicted the company’s president, Juval Aviv, for mail fraud. Lester Coleman, a former Defense Intelligence Agency operative who was researching a book about the PFLP-GC and Lockerbie, was charged by the FBI with ‘falsely procuring a passport’. William Casey, a lobbyist who made similar allegations in 1995, found his bank accounts frozen and federal agents searching through his trash. Even so, documents leaked from the US Defense Intelligence Agency in 1995, two years after the Libyans were first identified as the prime suspects, still blamed the PFLP-GC.

Though the Private Eye special makes a more compelling argument.
 
I doubt it is still in print (and indeed its probably been mentioned on the thread already), but there was a very good Private Eye special on the bombing, the investigation and the trial which cited the Iran theory as being considerably more likely than the official version of events. Here are some articles detailing it:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100006385/lockerbie-did-we-jail-the-wrong-man/
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v29/n12/hugh-miles/inconvenient-truths

Thanks, those are interesting, especially the second one.
 
Sky News have just had Jim Swire (whose daughter was on board the Pan Am flight) eloquently explaining why it was that Megrahi was almost certainly innocent. He is followed by Daniel Kawcynski MP, who argues that Megrahi didnt die quickly enough and that its all that Mr Salmond's fault.

:facepalm:
 
He is followed by Daniel Kawcynski MP, who argues that Megrahi didnt die quickly enough and that its all that Mr Salmond's fault.

:facepalm:

WTF does it have to do with some english tory twat anyway?? Of course absolutely everything in Scotland is wee Eck's fault eh?? :rolleyes:
 
Though the Private Eye special makes a more compelling argument.

Private Eye special report was "LOCKERBIE - the flight from justice", it's available from the Private Eye website Digital Downloads section for a fiver, google has a link to what appears to be the full document in the top three results when I tried it.

[Not posting links with that fuck off great big spammer warning at the top of the page:hmm::eek:]

:)
 
Seeing as this doesn't seem to have made the TV news or any any of the english media I thought I'd bump this thread with this link

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...vernment-hid-secret-lockerbie-report.17751710

A couple of snippets below
The highly classified document, which has never even been aired in public or shared with the courts, originally came from Jordan and indicates that a Palestinian terrorist group was involved in the bombing that killed 270 people – something the UK Government has vehemently denied.

The document incriminates the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC) in the Lockerbie bombing.

I said at the time Megrahi was a scapegoat and I still believe it.
 
The document incriminates the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC) in the Lockerbie bombing.

I said at the time Megrahi was a scapegoat and I still believe it.

This is covered nicely in 'Tell me no lies' edited by John Pilger using the Paul foot material.
Apparantly early on the authorities knew it was a Palestinian effort. This was helped along by 'criminal elements' ( not an exact quote) from Syria who were under the protection of Hafez Assad.

Loads of questions remain to be asked let alone answered.
Why did a warning appear in the US Moscow embassy about threats to pan am flights only to be dismissed after the event as miscommunication?
Or that the CIA rushed from their office in Edinburgh(WTF?) to Lockerbie and held up the search until they recovered a brown case, removed their heroin package and replaced the case back in the field they found it in.

Even the guy who made the bomb was working for the CIA in various sting ops.
He made 4 or 5 identical bombs but one went missing when he was in the shower, i shit you not, the rest were accounted for.
It even has an American Ambassador quoted as saying we know did it but we can't ever admit it in public.

All this has still to be dealt with but that would cause a shitstorm of colossal proportions.
 
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