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SpackleFrog
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according to tj hookerMore than 50?
ska invita
back on the other side
from that article theres a bit that says
"The most serious sectarian and ethnic tensions in Iraq's modern history followed the 2003 US-led occupation, which faced massive popular opposition and resistance. The US had its own divide-and-rule policy, promoting Iraqi organisations founded on religion, ethnicity, nationality or sect rather than politics."
...which reminds me of the (left) criticisms of multiculturalism in Britain, that similarly attempts to lump people into cultural categories and have 'community leaders' then speak for them - an extreme example of New Labouresque multiculturalism exported as military foreign policy, you could say
gawkrodger
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Kind of answered your own question.
Turkey has already been criticised by the US for their, in practice, support for assorted Islamist militants groups.
Turkish State thinking seems to be along the lines of 'does group x fight the Kurds?' If yes, turn a blind eye. See Rojava and the blocking of borders for the Kurds etc yet it appearing remarkably porous for Sunni militants. Suspect Turkish security services would also rather have their homegrown radicals being shot at in Syria rather than causing trouble domestically.
Has Turkey allowed any combat missions from bases in Turkey since they refused the US 4th Army to go through their borders in what, 2003?
J Ed
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Why am I suddenly thinking about Ashura?
Everyday is Ashura, innit.
SpookyFrank
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Have no fear, the British goverment is on the case. They've already contracted G4S to defend Baghdad.
e2a: This is gonna be one of those jokes that almost immediately comes true isn't it?
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
i'd say no to the first - because Parliament exists to pass legislation and hold the government to account, it is not a bigger version of the cabinet that decides on policy.
personally, i think what support pretty much anyone needs against ISIS we should provide - even Assad is looking like a potential partner at the moment - we can provide air support quickly, air support would initially be able to prevent ISIS's advance, and it would then enable the degradation of ISIS's military capabilty - making a Kurdish/Iraqi ground assault against them easier, quicker, and with fewer civilian casualties in the places its dug in.
there are risks, but then there are risks in allowing ISIS to stay in place. which risks would you prefer to run?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
If we helped Assad I wouldn't bet on him just doing as he's told and attacking ISIS. Also the man's a fucking monster.
teqniq
DisMembered
Assad may still regard IS as, if not allies then useful associates, more info:
Iraq and Syria: The struggle against the multi-sided counterrevolution
link originally posted by butchers on another thread, or was it this one?
Iraq and Syria: The struggle against the multi-sided counterrevolution
link originally posted by butchers on another thread, or was it this one?
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kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
well, yes he is. personally i'd imagine that such co-operation would be from Assad to others, overflight rights etc... he gains from ISIS getting a shoeing, so its in his interests to make that shoeing as easy and complete as possible.
quiet co-operation, but co-operation none the less.
kebabking
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3 RAF Tornado GR4 strike aircraft deployed to RAF Akrotiri on Cyprus to conduct reconaisance missions ahead of humanitarian aid drops in N Iraq. 2 RAF C-130's previously deployed to same location to do the aid drops. GR4's will probably escort the C-130's over the drops.
2 or 3 RAF Chinook heavy lift helicopters will be deployed to Akrotiri in preparation for aid distribution operations in N Iraq, they may be then forward based in either southern Turkey or N Iraq, or may travel to N Iraq, use a local airfield for the day and then return to Cyprus - however, that a 600km+ flight each way...
UK also announces that RAF C-130 and C-17 heavy lift aircraft will move military aid donated by other countries into N Iraq.
2 or 3 RAF Chinook heavy lift helicopters will be deployed to Akrotiri in preparation for aid distribution operations in N Iraq, they may be then forward based in either southern Turkey or N Iraq, or may travel to N Iraq, use a local airfield for the day and then return to Cyprus - however, that a 600km+ flight each way...
UK also announces that RAF C-130 and C-17 heavy lift aircraft will move military aid donated by other countries into N Iraq.
coley
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Will Maliki go quietly? That's the question.
SpookyFrank
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No, would appear to be the short answer.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middl...s-iraq-crisis-deepens-201481215314651708.html
SpookyFrank
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It doesn't look like Maliki has too many allies left. He's already asked the army and the Shia militias not to intervene, which suggests he fears they might intervene to help get rid of him if they were to intervene at all.
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Ibn Khaldoun
the present is dead, long live the future . . .
Same thing.
Ibn Khaldoun
the present is dead, long live the future . . .
Okay, just make it personal against me.
Am not from Exeter, by the way.
When Bashar Assad declared war against his own people and deliberately killed Surian innocents his actions were met with nearly unanimous condemnation in the West. Because USA allegedly opposed (of course the reality has been revealed since then).
Nouri al Maliki does the same and he gets the support of the westenlrn leftists simple because the USA and Moscow sing from the same leaf.
Meanwhile, American and Russian fighter jetplanes kill Iraqi civilians because those people dared to oppose Maliki. They are fighting for their lives and you don't support these people because both Moscow and Washington support this war criminal, Maliki.
Am not from Exeter, by the way.
When Bashar Assad declared war against his own people and deliberately killed Surian innocents his actions were met with nearly unanimous condemnation in the West. Because USA allegedly opposed (of course the reality has been revealed since then).
Nouri al Maliki does the same and he gets the support of the westenlrn leftists simple because the USA and Moscow sing from the same leaf.
Meanwhile, American and Russian fighter jetplanes kill Iraqi civilians because those people dared to oppose Maliki. They are fighting for their lives and you don't support these people because both Moscow and Washington support this war criminal, Maliki.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I don't see anyone around here sticking up for Maliki. Obviously the US and UK have been less keen to condemn Maliki than Assad because they were responsible for him gaining power in the first place.
Ibn Khaldoun
the present is dead, long live the future . . .
Rubbish. I am the only person here who has condemned his crimes or even spoken of them! And there are others here openly supporting imperialist intervention on the side of Maliki
That's because both the USA and Russia support him. That's why you all do, quietly or avowedly. I am genuinely disgusted.
teqniq
DisMembered
Ibn Khaldoun i think you are being a little 'flexible' with what you pervceive the truth to be
Ibn Khaldoun
the present is dead, long live the future . . .
teqniq
DisMembered
One has only to read around a bit to know that he has been instrumental in dividing the country along sectarian lines: assasinations, disappearances and crucially defections from the army, regardless of whether it has actually been discussed here. As for 'imperialist intervention' there is a case to be had that the responsibility lies with certain parties to assist in clearing up the mess they made - but even if you object to airstrikes would you rather they hadn't airdropped food and water to the Yazidis?
Ibn Khaldoun
the present is dead, long live the future . . .
That's a no, then.
It's no good that anc entire discussion about Iraq (since 2013 no less), should be (besides my own contributions) entirely focussed on the crimes (there are real crimes and lie-about ones) of the small number of extremists who were temorarily in an alliance with other forces, whereas the much greater crimes of the Maliki criminal regime are unentioned as well as uncondemned.
It's no good that anc entire discussion about Iraq (since 2013 no less), should be (besides my own contributions) entirely focussed on the crimes (there are real crimes and lie-about ones) of the small number of extremists who were temorarily in an alliance with other forces, whereas the much greater crimes of the Maliki criminal regime are unentioned as well as uncondemned.
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Pickman's model
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the "people who don't finish their sentences" thread is >>> over there
Ibn Khaldoun
the present is dead, long live the future . . .
Yeah, can't always finish typing before uploading the reply. W/E.
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