Recent attacks in Iraq

[MellySingsDoom]

Not so perfectly - the USA identified the Saddamist state for elimination because of its potential to challenge Israel. Therefore the USA saw as part of its regional project to take out the hub and center of Arabism, a living reality indeed.

The nation dares to live again.

Bullshit. Saddam got greedy and planned to invade Kuwait AND Saudi Arabia, thus threatening US interests there. Saddam - himself a life-long psychopathic racist - used Israel as a pretext to get support in the Arab diaspora.

Thank you for confirming my hunch that you're an advocate of Saddam Hussein, though.

 

[quiquaquo]

Can't see it. Live next to an atomic sub tbh.

That explains things, you're in the Soviet Union.

 

[coley]

Of course, and you know what? We in the West did fuck-all when ordinary Shias and Kurds carried out their uprising against Saddam and his regime after the first Gulf War.

I agree, but 20/20 hindsight doesn't really solve owt, but we are sitting on our arses when an even bigger problem is rising up, the IS is going to tear up the status quo as we recognise it unless we do something, and as I see it, Obama and the UK/ EU are sitting there like rabbits in the headlights, not forgetting the Ukraine.

The Russians and Chinese must be rolling in the aisles

 

[Ibn Khaldoun]

Repeating the lies of the Saudis and USA about Saddam Hussein. They claimed he wanted to invade them following an act of aggression by Kuwait in which the Kuwaitis seized Iraqi oil fields. The pretext for US invasion and the subsequent sanctions regime. For not only the Iraqi state but its people were targetted by the US.

 

[MellySingsDoom]

Repeating the lies of the Saudis and USA about Saddam Hussein. They claimed he wanted to invade them following an act of aggression by Kuwait in which the Kuwaitis seized Iraqi oil fields. The pretext for US invasion and the subsequent sanctions regime. For not only the Iraqi state but its people were targetted by the US.

Translation: oh noes, they don't like Saddam round these parts!

e2a: what about the untold amounts of Shias and Kurds that Saddam's regime brutalised and murdered, whilst being financed and backed by the West? Do they not count as people too?

 

[Ibn Khaldoun]

Talk about bullshit. Who do you work for??

The claim about Saddam Hussein wanting to invade Saudi is a proven lie.

 

[MellySingsDoom]

Talk about bullshit. Who do you work for??

The claim about Saddam Hussein wanting to invade Saudi is a proven lie.

Pfft. Why don't you tell me who I "work for", chief?

Why don't you answer the points about Saddam's psychopathic racism, murderous massaces of Shias and Kurds, and of being backed by the West prior to the first Gulf War?

 

[Ibn Khaldoun]

The Russians and Chinese must be rolling in the aisles

The Russians are fully backing the sectarian dictatorship that is killing Iraqi. Who do you work for?

 

[MellySingsDoom]

The Russians are fully backing the sectarian dictatorship that is killing Iraqi dictatorship. Who do you work for?

Hey, it's ernestolynch! Hi there, ern! How's the teaching job going?

 

[Ibn Khaldoun]

Translation: oh noes, they don't like Saddam round these parts!

e2a: what about the untold amounts of Shias and Kurds that Saddam's regime brutalised and murdered, whilst being financed and backed by the West? Do they not count as people too?

Also lies.

Most such claims were funnelled through Iran. More, Iran colluded with the CIA before the 2003 invasion. They were behind all the 'dodgy dossier' material.

 

[yield]

Give it a rest you joker Ibn Khaldoun Ba'athist Iraq is not Isis

Ill Ummah Nati

MellySingsDoom he's not worth bothering with hand to heart

 

[coley]

The Russians are fully backing the sectarian dictatorship that is killing Iraqi dictatorship. Who do you work for?

Bugger it, I was just about to embark on the morningtown express, who do I work for,? can't tell you, it's a state secret but it involves hiding a huge amount of shit, want to join us?

 

[Ibn Khaldoun]

Pfft. Why don't you tell me who I "work for"

Probs GCHQ

 

[MellySingsDoom]

Also lies.

Most such claims were funnelled through Iran. More, Iran colluded with the CIA before the 2003 invasion. They were behind all the 'dodgy dossier' material.

Stick to the teaching job, ern - you used to be a much better and entertaining troll.

 

[MellySingsDoom]

Probs GCHQ

You literally had an open goal of shouting "Mossad!", "M15!" or "CIA!" - and you choose GCHQ?!?

Maybe you really are bananas after all...

e2a: Ha ha, I see you trying to delete the "who you do work for" line. Tough shit, Batman, I still have that quote having all that. Have a nice evening now, sweetcheeks.

 

[Ibn Khaldoun]

You literally had an open goal of shouting "Mossad!", "M15!" or "CIA!" - and you choose GCHQ?!?

Well, I was joking anyway because GCHQ is half way to MI5, CIA etc..

e2a: Ha ha, I see you trying to delete the "who you do work for" line. Tough shit, Batman, I still have that quote having all that. Have a nice evening now, sweetcheeks.

Actually that was a typo. I didn't retract my accusation towards you, nor to bitch, I reckon the intelligence services here support localist ultra-left activities.

 

[MellySingsDoom]

Well, I was joking anyway because GCHQ is half way to MI5, CIA etc..



Actually that was a typo. I didn't retract my accusation towards you, nor to bitch, I reckon the intelligence services here support localist ultra-left activities.

Nice try at digging yourself out of a hole, ern, but no cigar. And, you buffoon, intelligence services here infiltrate the left, not support it - ever heard of Mark Kennedy/Stone?

 

[butchersapron]

This is what happens when he gets attention - he's a fake loon dripping with buzzwords and shocking positions (note his past attacks on Baathism and Gadaffi when that might get the desired attention). Not worth the time or effort. He's from exeter ffs.

 

[kebabking]

...He's from exeter ffs.

explains much...

 

[MellySingsDoom]

This is what happens when he gets attention - he's a fake loon dripping with buzzwords and shocking positions (note his past attacks on Baathism and Gadaffi when that might get the desired attention). Not worth the time or effort. He's from exeter ffs.

He's from Exeter?!? Ah well, there goes my "theory" of him being ernestolynch!

You're right, though - I really should have left him blathering on to himself and done something far more useful - sorry

 

[butchersapron]

He's from Exeter?!? Ah well, there goes my "theory" of him being ernestolynch!

You're right, though - I really should have left him blathering on to himself and done something far more useful - sorry

Don't have to be sorry! He can't sink the thread. One other thing, you often find he deletes his post 11 at night rubbish in the morning so if you are talking to him, make sure to quote.

 

[elbows]

Given the tense political situation, there is surprisingly little news so far today.

 

[likesfish]

Iraq was stiched together out of three distinct ethnic states out of th remains of the ottaman empire
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gertrude_Bell#Creation_of_Iraq

 

[butchersapron]

Iraq was stiched together out of three distinct ethnic states out of th remains of the ottaman empire
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gertrude_Bell#Creation_of_Iraq

What three seperate ethnic states were these then?

 

[likesfish]

Kurdish majority in the north
Sunni majority in the middle
Shias down south.
Not strictly ethnic states but not a giant melting pot either add tribal affiliations and the whole thing becomes a nightmare

 

[Poi E]

Bit like the UK, huh?

 

[kebabking]

any Turkey watchers about?

i know they're having a Presidential election, so they are a bit tied up and might not welcome the political ramifications, but i'm interested in the apparent non-involvement of Turkey in the recent hoo-hah - it seems odd, given what we are told about the rapproachment between Turkey and the Kurdish state, that the US is still flying its airstrikes from the Persian Gulf, over 900 miles to the south, rather than from southern Turkey just 15 minutes flying time away?

the UK decision to base its Tornado's and C-130 in Cyprus is understandable to some degree given that there'll be pre-positioned ordanance at Akrotiri, but its still in the 'plausable' box rather than the 'the most obvious' box - has Turkey got the jitters about its new friends accross the border?

the really interesting thing would be how co-operative our old enemy/friend in Damascas is being - he's onto a winner here...

 

[butchersapron]

Kurdish majority in the north
Sunni majority in the middle
Shias down south.
Not strictly ethnic states but not a giant melting pot either add tribal affiliations and the whole thing becomes a nightmare

So no ethnic states at all - just areas that people lived in - and you left out the huge mixed area in the middle of the region as well the mixed usually secular nature of the dominant political organisations for much of the history of modern Iraq, the mixed nature of the tribes. Don't paint myths as history.

 

[SpackleFrog]

al-Maliki forced out today:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...forced-out-prime-minister?CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

Civil war here we come I suspect.

 

[ska invita]

So no ethnic states at all - just areas that people lived in - and you left out the huge mixed area in the middle of the region as well the mixed usually secular nature of the dominant political organisations for much of the history of modern Iraq, the mixed nature of the tribes. Don't paint myths as history.

on this topic i read this yesterday:
"The sectarian myth of Iraq
We coexisted peacefully for centuries, and need neither brutal dictators nor western intervention"
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/16/sectarian-myth-of-iraq

Until the 1970s nearly all Iraq's political organisations were secular, attracting people from all religions and none. The dividing lines were sharply political, mostly based on social class and political orientation. The growth of religious parties followed Saddam's ruthless elimination of all political entities other than the Ba'ath party. Places of worship became centres of political agitation and organisation.

Despite popular myths, the majority of Ba'ath party founders were Shia. However, Iraqi Ba'athist ideology always had a racist dimension against the Kurdish people and non-Arabs – as well as a class orientation, when in power, that marginalised millions in the poorest sections of society, mostly in the south. Southern Iraq and some areas of Baghdad, populated by mostly Shia migrants from southern rural areas, have historically been home to the poorest people.
Iraq's biggest mass organisation from the 1940s to the 60s was the Iraqi Communist party, founded in 1934 by activists from all religious and ethnic backgrounds. It was the strongest party even in Iraqi Kurdistan, and remained a mass party until its leadership decided to join Saddam's regime in 1973 – against the wishes of most party members. Saddam launched a vicious campaign against the ICP in 1978-9, and the party lost its raison d'être after joining the Iraq Governing Council set up after the occupation in 2003.

Commentators on Iraq often refer to ethnic wars waged against its Kurdish people. They fail to mention that none of these wars were popular but were ruthlessly pursued by repressive regimes, particularly Saddam's.

etc

I imagine the reality is a grey area