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R.I.P Comrade George Blake. The last remaining Cold War double agent (that we know of.)

When the Soviet Union collapsed eastern Europe left Russia's sphere of influence and the Baltic States were free.
Funny how only dodgy dictatorships are still pals of Russia.
Back in the day urbaniski75 would have ended with everyone getting a free trip to Siberia if they were lucky that's the difference the west didn't jail dissidents.

I remember the inner German border the claymores were set to kill people trying to leave!
That's the regime blake supported a regime that collapsed as soon as the boot was removed from people's faces. Glad he lived to see his ideals end up in the gutter
 
Yes, lifting people out of servile poverty and giving them a decent standard of living is unforgivable. They should have pulled their arse-cheeks wide apart and what all over them, like the British and French did in their colonies and the Americans did in Latin America and South-East Asia
When did they ever achieve that?
 
When the Soviet Union collapsed eastern Europe left Russia's sphere of influence and the Baltic States were free.
Funny how only dodgy dictatorships are still pals of Russia.
Back in the day urbaniski75 would have ended with everyone getting a free trip to Siberia if they were lucky that's the difference the west didn't jail dissidents.

Pretty sure Irish people interned or fitted up by the crown might disagree.
 
When the Soviet Union collapsed eastern Europe left Russia's sphere of influence and the Baltic States were free.
Funny how only dodgy dictatorships are still pals of Russia.
Back in the day urbaniski75 would have ended with everyone getting a free trip to Siberia if they were lucky that's the difference the west didn't jail dissidents.

I remember the inner German border the claymores were set to kill people trying to leave!
That's the regime blake supported a regime that collapsed as soon as the boot was removed from people's faces. Glad he lived to see his ideals end up in the gutter

One of the most memorable moments of my life was looking into East Berlin at the Bernauer Strasse viewing point.

Until then, the brutality of the communist regimes was an abstract thing. To se the wire, the minefield, the dogs and the watchtowers made it very real.

I took a number of people down there after their arrival in Berlin, every one had the same reaction as I had had, they stood in silence, not quite believing what they were seeing.
 
Yes, lifting people out of servile poverty and giving them a decent standard of living is unforgivable. They should have pulled their arse-cheeks wide apart and what all over them, like the British and French did in their colonies and the Americans did in Latin America and South-East Asia

The USSR lifting people out of servile poverty? Fuck me, I've seen some idiotic claims, but that takes the biscuit!

I suppose that the 20,000,000 or so that Stalin murdered were indeed lifted out of poverty, there is no poverty in death.
 
One of the most memorable moments of my life was looking into East Berlin at the Bernauer Strasse viewing point.

Until then, the brutality of the communist regimes was an abstract thing. To se the wire, the minefield, the dogs and the watchtowers made it very real.

I took a number of people down there after their arrival in Berlin, every one had the same reaction as I had had, they stood in silence, not quite believing what they were seeing.
I can only imagine.
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As horrible as the troubles were Chicago similar population had 5X the death toll in the same time period.
When the provos figured out the dream of a damper Cuba was never happening the "Oppresion" stopped.
 
Fuck him. Glad he's dead. I wasn't going to drink today but think I'll crack a bottle of Merlot on the strength of this.
Comrade Blake's Last Will and Testament:

1. To leave my book collection to the Russian State Library
2. To leave my remaining goods and possessions to The Spies Benevolent Fund.
3. To annoy the fuck out of that bloke on that British website.

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The USSR lifting people out of servile poverty? Fuck me, I've seen some idiotic claims, but that takes the biscuit!

I suppose that the 20,000,000 or so that Stalin murdered were indeed lifted out of poverty, there is no poverty in death.


Both of Mrs Splonk's grandparents (from the Eastern Bloc) never had shoes, or enough food, until the Communists came along to their village. Neither had they a chance at education either until then. Which is wonderful, because they are both very curious and smart people. So yes, they were lifted out of a servile poverty.
 

As enjoyable as the mutual tugging of tails is, I think this for me is the most interesting part of the story. The Telegraph obit neglects to mention that Michael Randle and Pat Pottle represented themselves in the Old Bailey and won. Their book "How to Defend Yourself in Court" is a good read, and a tribute to their gambling, principled nature.
 
As enjoyable as the mutual tugging of tails is, I think this for me is the most interesting part of the story. The Telegraph obit neglects to mention that Michael Randle and Pat Pottle represented themselves in the Old Bailey and won. Their book "How to Defend Yourself in Court" is a good read, and a tribute to their gambling, principled nature.
I had a vague awareness of this jailbreak, but didn't know/remember Blake being KGB. A little surprised the support from pacifists towards KGB Agents TBH
 
One of the most memorable moments of my life was looking into East Berlin at the Bernauer Strasse viewing point.

Until then, the brutality of the communist regimes was an abstract thing. To se the wire, the minefield, the dogs and the watchtowers made it very real.

I took a number of people down there after their arrival in Berlin, every one had the same reaction as I had had, they stood in silence, not quite believing what they were seeing.
Yet unbelievably there was a revival of nostalgia for the GDR by some East Germans called Ostalgie and some interesting films Lives Others , Goodbye Lenin and Sonnenallee in particular, which portrayed a more complex view of the GDR from the normal one dimensional one.
 
Loads of fascinating historical detail about George Blake in today's Observer article by Stephen Dorril

Observer headline said:
George Blake exemplified the desolation, waste and treachery of the cold war
The intelligence officer turned KGB agent who has died at 98 never belonged to Kim Philby’s elite traitors’ club

Stephen Dorril said:
Philby and the Cambridge Five generally were in essence antifascists and saw the Soviet Union as the best means of defeating the Nazis. Blake was an idealist, disillusioned with British intelligence, who sought – in his naive fashion – a Communist revolution. His response was to reveal to his KGB handlers everything that crossed his desk and to actively seek out the service’s secrets.

By the mid 1950s, Blake was running bugging and telephone operations, even break-ins, against Soviet embassies in Europe’s capital cities, activities that he later detailed in an obscure 1970s Soviet interview.
Operating at the centre of the cold war in Berlin, Blake learned the identities of MI6’s agents in the east. Scores of acronyms, actual names, key biographical information and intelligence dossiers were left at dead-drops or passed to his KGB handlers in true John le Carré fashion.

Dorill was the author of a book called "MI6 : Fifty Years of Special Operations" -- does anyone know much about that book and about Dorill himself?

He was also the co-author of Smear! -- the Lobster book about Harold Wilson -- does that reduce the credibility of all the above stuff?? :confused:
 
China did as soon as they switched to capitalism but nvm I guess.
This is another liberal lie, the economy grew at a rapid pace right from 49 and it was only the hiatus during the policy disaster of the Great Leap that it really slowed. Life expectancy grew even with the murderous famine added in, the population grew rapidly at the same time yet endemic famine was ended in a country that had started from a lower base than much of sub-Saharan Africa due to the years of warlord infighting and at the same time they constructed an industrial base and did things they thought necessary to secure their status as an independent nation state like the atom bomb.
There were still a lot of poor people in 1978 and we all know there's plenty about the policies adopted to criticise and condemn but in purely economic terms the high socialist period did fine, and certainly the later capitalist boom would have never come without the foundations lain then in education and infrastructure, as any serious historian or economist acknowledges.
 
the jailbreak facilitators were not even recidivist tankies, but people who had more of a beef with the brit establishment. A traitor is someone who doesn't support that gerrymandered structure in this case. I'm a traitor in this case but would think twice about the morals of supplying a rival gerrymandered structure with info. I could be bought tho'. not cheap but....
 
As horrible as the troubles were Chicago similar population had 5X the death toll in the same time period.
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The fact that life was even cheaper on the west side of Chicago than in west Belfast is hardly a ringing endorsement for your flag-waving Atlanticism. Since you raised that city, we should probably also add the achievements of the Chicago boys in South America to the balance sheet.
 
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Loads of fascinating historical detail about George Blake in today's Observer article by Stephen Dorril







Dorill was the author of a book called "MI6 : Fifty Years of Special Operations" -- does anyone know much about that book and about Dorill himself?

He was also the co-author of Smear! -- the Lobster book about Harold Wilson -- does that reduce the credibility of all the above stuff?? :confused:
I'm not sure what you are asking for - people who do know of Dorril and his work to vouch for the book? :confused:
 
Both of Mrs Splonk's grandparents (from the Eastern Bloc) never had shoes, or enough food, until the Communists came along to their village. Neither had they a chance at education either until then. Which is wonderful, because they are both very curious and smart people. So yes, they were lifted out of a servile poverty.
It depends where you were, also. One of my colleagues is from one of the 'stans (I'd better not say which, as the human rights situation has actually deteriorated there since 1991). She told me that one of her grandmothers was put in an arranged marriage at the age of 14, and set to work tending the new family's cows. The Bolsheviks put an end to that, she said (OTOH, both of her grandfathers had to temporarily absent themselves during the forced collectivisation, and hide out in China - only one of them made it back).

Mind you a lot of the ostalgie is just old people nattering. In Halle, you'll get told that in the DDR you could leave your front door open at night and no one would rob you - come on, old people say things like that everywhere in the world.
 
Yet unbelievably there was a revival of nostalgia for the GDR by some East Germans called Ostalgie and some interesting films Lives Others , Goodbye Lenin and Sonnenallee in particular, which portrayed a more complex view of the GDR from the normal one dimensional one.
And a lot of this is all about flicking the two fingers at the Wessis. One west German I knew in Halle summed up the difference between east and west like this: a West German walking through town at night would stop and wait for the green man at the pedestrian light. An Ossi would look at that sort of behaviour and say "have you lost your mind? It's the middle of the night".
 
This is another liberal lie, the economy grew at a rapid pace right from 49 and it was only the hiatus during the policy disaster of the Great Leap that it really slowed. Life expectancy grew even with the murderous famine added in, the population grew rapidly at the same time yet endemic famine was ended in a country that had started from a lower base than much of sub-Saharan Africa due to the years of warlord infighting and at the same time they constructed an industrial base and did things they thought necessary to secure their status as an independent nation state like the atom bomb.
There were still a lot of poor people in 1978 and we all know there's plenty about the policies adopted to criticise and condemn but in purely economic terms the high socialist period did fine, and certainly the later capitalist boom would have never come without the foundations lain then in education and infrastructure, as any serious historian or economist acknowledges.
How disruptive in economic terms was the GPCR?
 
How disruptive in economic terms was the GPCR?
Off the top of my head, IIRC surprisingly not very, but I'll have to check. Combination of the particular venues it mainly played out and the major upheavals being in fact briefer than the usual ten year timeframe suggested.
 
The fact that life was even cheaper on the west side of Chicago than in west Belfast is hardly a ringing endorsement for your flag-waving Atlanticism. Since you raised that city, we should probably also add the achievements of the Chicago boys in South America to the balance sheet.

Poining out the "troubles" were weirdly restrained compared with former Yugoslavia, Gaza,Columbia,el Salvador, Nicaragua or Argentina and even Paris and numerous others. As shit as it was the British didn't fill mass graves or disappear which is the usual response to these things.
 
Poining out the "troubles" were weirdly restrained compared with former Yugoslavia, Gaza,Columbia,el Salvador, Nicaragua or Argentina and even Paris and numerous others. As shit as it was the British didn't fill mass graves or disappear which is the usual response to these things.

British restraint as demonstrated in Aden, Malaya, Kenya, Amritsar, Bengal, Tasmania, Benin...
 
And a lot of this is all about flicking the two fingers at the Wessis. One west German I knew in Halle summed up the difference between east and west like this: a West German walking through town at night would stop and wait for the green man at the pedestrian light. An Ossi would look at that sort of behaviour and say "have you lost your mind? It's the middle of the night".
When my mother lived in Spain I used to go to a German bar for the beer and after one session I summoned up the courage to ask about the wall coming down . Some spoke English but the bloke behind the bar translated for me . Most of the people in there had tales about how lazy the East Germans were , that one west German would do a job but the East Germans would expect 4 do do it etc etc . Aside from some old guy sitting by himself who said ‘the west Germans economy meant if you worked hard there was less jobs because they didn’t need you , in the East the economy’s job was to provide work , we didn’t have unemployment’
 
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