Question Time tonight

[Mr Moose]

Why is no one on the remain side ever able to skewer this bollix about Sovereignty? The EU doesn't decide our education, defence, health, housing etc.

If we choose to favour housing people over buy to let, second homes and country estates we could.

 

[JimW]

I felt a bit sorry for him too, quite a few anxious questioners tonight.

I'm the same public speaking so empathised.

 

[JimW]

No-one to say that any year of austerity is because of a political choice not because of external economic factors.

 

[Mr Moose]

Did Steve Hilton cycle there in his socks?

 

[J Ed]

Hilton has a great tan too, I suppose if you have the terrible Silicon Valley ideology it should go with the California weather not the British weather.

 

[brogdale]

Why is no one on the remain side ever able to skewer this bollix about Sovereignty? The EU doesn't decide our education, defence, health, housing etc.

If we choose to favour housing people over buy to let, second homes and country estates we could.

'We' don't because 'the markets' of financialised capital hold sovereignty over any elected government.

 

[Mr Moose]

It's the Gernans! Up to something!

 

[JimW]

No wonder the eu annexed Poland.

 

[JimW]

Hate this Remain idea that rights and equal pay were the gift of the commission not the fruits of social struggle.

 

[Mr Moose]

'We' don't because 'the markets' of financialised capital hold sovereignty over any elected government.

The markets didn't make us sell off council/social houses. The rest of Europe has a very different property market. We have particular symptoms here.

 

[J Ed]

The EU = no war argument is so terrible

 

[brogdale]

The markets didn't make us sell off council/social houses. The rest of Europe has a very different property market. We have particular symptoms here.

The privatisation of the social housing stock is actually a very good example of the UK government legislating on behalf of the interests of financialised capital, and against those of the people.

 

[Mr Moose]

The privatisation of the social housing stock is actually a very good example of the UK government legislating on behalf of the interests of financialised capital, and against those of the people.

You are right, but it was not a given, nor was building so little more. All things Governments could have changed.

 

[brogdale]

You are right, but it was not a given, nor was building so little more. All things Governments could have changed.

All the time that the state relies upon borrowing from financialised capital, they could only effect such change with the tacit approval of the (bond) markets. That power is the only sovereignty in town.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

The EU = no war argument is so terrible

It's not that bad to be honest. The whole point (well, a decent part of it anyway) was to stop France and the modern German state from butting heads.

 

[treelover]

Pretty robust/noisy audience tonight

 

[Mr Moose]

It's not that bad to be honest. The whole point (well, a decent part of it anyway) was to stop France and the modern German state from butting heads.

It also depends on what timescale you want to consider it. I can't believe that post Scottish independence when it happens neither the English nor Scottish will do anything aggressive ever again. I'm sure over a few decades Europe could skirmish over who is pissing where in the Danube, or diverting all the water away.

 

[extra dry]

Follow all the analysis of the first televised debate of the EU referendum campaign here

have to actually watch it later.

 

[Supine]

There seemed to be a lip synch issue with the sound last night (here at least). It was very annoying but not as annoying as Ed - I wish he would just give up politics because he is useless.

 

[weltweit]

There seemed to be a lip synch issue with the sound last night (here at least). It was very annoying but not as annoying as Ed - I wish he would just give up politics because he is useless.

I had that also on the iPlayer, IIRC it went about half way through.

I didn't think that was a balanced audience, either that or leave people were louder than remain.

 

[Duncan2]

I had that also on the iPlayer, IIRC it went about half way through.

I didn't think that was a balanced audience, either that or leave people were louder than remain.

I don't suppose following the inevitable vote to remain on June 23rd that it will ever be possible to analyse the results area by area it would be interesting,I think,to see if there is some kind of a North/South divide in the figures.

 

[Duncan2]

Have to agree that Miliband was hugely disappointing last night his time in the wilderness having apparently done him no good at all.Couldn't help thinking that Hilton was right too about his tendency to be a bit or more than a bit patronising in his approach.Easy to kick a man when he is down of course.

 

[killer b]

Milband doesn't give a fuck anymore. He's dead inside.

 

[killer b]

I didn't watch this last night, but every time I've seen Miliband lately I've felt a moment of concern for him. I hope it gets better soon.

 

[redsquirrel]

I don't suppose following the inevitable vote to remain on June 23rd that it will ever be possible to analyse the results area by area it would be interesting,I think,to see if there is some kind of a North/South divide in the figures.

I suspect that they will be counted area by area, the Scottish independence referendum was. I don't know how large the areas will be, possibly the areas they use for the EU parliament.

 

[killer b]

I'm predicting stark differences between metropolitan centres vs almost everywhere else

 

[killer b]

(rather than a strict north/south divide)

 

[hot air baboon]

Bristol academics Professor Ron Johnston, Professor Kelwyn Jones and David Manley wrote: 'Our map of the percentage support for Brexit according to this model shows some very clear geographical patterning.

'At one extreme are the two clusters of local authorities where support for leaving the EU is very low – in almost all of London and most of Scotland.
'Against this, the areas with most support for Brexit are concentrated along much of England's east coast plus some of the older industrial areas (notably in Yorkshire and the West Midlands), with pockets along the south coast too (mainly local authorities with large retired populations).'

Are your neighbours IN or OUT? Coastal towns leading charge for Brexit

 

[J Ed]

I didn't watch this last night, but every time I've seen Miliband lately I've felt a moment of concern for him. I hope it gets better soon.

I think a lot of that must come from the way he was monstered by the media more than just losing when he did not expect to lose. I am even more concerned about Corbyn's mental health, I really cannot imagine how he copes.

 

[weltweit]

I don't suppose following the inevitable vote to remain on June 23rd that it will ever be possible to analyse the results area by area it would be interesting,I think,to see if there is some kind of a North/South divide in the figures.

Do you really think a remain vote is inevitable? I don't and I plan to vote remain.