Pubs we've lost 2014-2015: The Grosvenor, Stockwell and the Canterbury Arms, Brixton

[DJWrongspeed]

As if Ozzy bars are so great?

 

[editor]

The loss of the Canterbury and the Grosvenor is really going to leave a hole in Brixton's scene because there's really no places like either of them where people can use the back rooms for their own thing.

 

[editor]

Golfrate have applied for planning permission to convert the top two floors of The Grosvenor into private flats.

http://www.brixtonbuzz.com/2014/07/...e-grosvenor-pub-stockwell-into-private-flats/

(*thanks to cuppa tee)

 

[cuppa tee]

Golfrate have applied for planning permission to convert the top two floors of The Grosvenor into private flats.

http://www.brixtonbuzz.com/2014/07/...e-grosvenor-pub-stockwell-into-private-flats/

(*thanks to cuppa tee)

Same architect as the Brady's conversion................

[ thanks should really go to a dog walker in Slade Gardens who gave me the news btw ]

 

[SpamMisery]

I dragged my other half into the Canterbury Arms on Sunday night because I hadn't been in for years and on hearing it was closing I thought it would be nice to see how it had changed. Bloke behind the bar got stroppy because my other half didn't want a drink. Not a single other person in there. Can't say I'll be going back

 

[MAD-T-REX]

It's odd how some establishments would rather have nothing if they can't get as much out of you as possible.

I rocked up to the the ill-fated Jazz On The Hill on a Sunday with five mates; there was a band playing but no-one was drinking inside. This was explained by the £8 entry fee to an empty bar on a nice afternoon. We went next door to the Commercial instead, which I imagine is what every single person who considered going into Jazz ended up doing.

 

[editor]

The Canterbury's less than perfectly honed customer relations skills are pretty well known.

 

[leanderman]

Same architect as the Brady's conversion................

[ thanks should really go to a dog walker in Slade Gardens who gave me the news btw ]

Seems the pub is being retained - in some form

 

[editor]

Seems the pub is being retained - in some form

I'm pretty confident that it won't be a pub. At least not anything I'd describe as a pub.

 

[cuppa tee]

Seems the pub is being retained - in some form

It looks that way according to the plans, but the extension to the ground floor might be necessary to squeeze more flats on top
one things for sure it won't be the same pub, and that is a loss to the area and beyond, I am trying to be optimistic but it's hard to imagine any future
premises will not be tainted by the whiff of pulled pork...........

 

[leanderman]

It looks that way according to the plans, but the extension to the ground floor might be necessary to squeeze more flats on top
one things for sure it won't be the same pub, and that is a loss to the area and beyond, I am trying to be optimistic but it's hard to imagine any future
premises will not be tainted by the whiff of pulled pork...........

Champagne & Fromage Deux

 

[DietCokeGirl]

Heard rumour the Grosvenor closes end of this month, can anyone confirm?

 

[Orang Utan]

I thought it was some time in August

 

[colacubes]

I was told 1st weekend in August.

 

[editor]

I was told 1st weekend in August.

Yep. It's really upsetting.

 

[cuppa tee]

thinking about what's next for the grosvenor I checked the Lambeth website for progress on golfrates application, a decision is still pending but the public comments reveal a lot of opposition including objections from the Brixton society, camra and a local councillor amongst others

http://planning.lambeth.gov.uk/onli...iveTab=neighbourComments&keyVal=N6L4HVBO67000th

will be interesting to see the outcome, specially as a refusal will properly piss on the developers bonfire

 

[Orang Utan]

I thought the problem with The Grosvenor was the block opposite being built?

 

[Crispy]

I thought the problem with The Grosvenor was the block opposite being built?

The much bigger problem is that golfrate want to turn the upstairs of the pub into flats.

 

[Orang Utan]

I'm sure the landlord John said he was selling cos he knew the new residents would moan about the noise. And are Golfrate actually buying? I got the impression it was still on offer

 

[colacubes]

I'm sure the landlord John said he was selling cos he knew the new residents would moan about the noise. And are Golfrate actually buying? I got the impression it was still on offer

Golfrate already own it. They bought it last year.

 

[Orang Utan]

Ah I see. Sorry. I'm always smashed when I'm in there and am probs not the best listener.

Shit. When I went there.

 

[colacubes]

Depressing innit. I used to toddle up there for a drink about once a week and it's really sad

 

[editor]

The much bigger problem is that golfrate want to turn the upstairs of the pub into flats.

The new luxury flats opposite would have killed off the music just as surely.

 

[editor]

[Pics by Tallulah/Ian James]

 

[editor]

I've posted up a piece here. Feel free to add your own objections!
Objections rack up to proposed part-conversion of Grosvenor pub into flats

 

[editor]

This comment was added to the B Buzz article:

And don’t forget the Canterbury Arms – mysteriously impossible to save from demolition and now suddenly right in the middle of the Council’s “Future Brixton” development.

Golfrate have already sent a surveyor in to measure the Grosvenor ground floor for “retail”.

If they get planning permission for the flats it’ll be a Tesco Metro in no time.

 

[editor]

Planning permission REFUSED for the Grosvenor redevelopment!
http://www.brixtonbuzz.com/2014/08/...g-permission-for-grosvenor-pub-redevelopment/

 

[clandestino]

Great news! Maybe Golfrate can get on with reopening the pub now!

 

[editor]

Here's the text of the refusal:

Refuse Permission

The following conditions for permission or reasons for refusal apply:

1 The evidence of marketing submitted to justify the loss of the public house (A4 use) at first and second floor levels is not considered to be sufficiently robust and comprehensive in line with the Councils Guidance Note for Marketing of Employment Premises and Sites. Consequently, insufficient justification for the loss of a use protected by adopted policy has been provided, undermining the Councils pool of employment generating sites and thus the proposal is contrary to policies 23 and 25 of the Unitary Development Plans (2007) and policy S3 of the LDF Core Strategy (2011)

2 In the absence of a Noise Impact Assessment of the existing noise climate affecting the development site, the local authority is unable to determine whether the amenity of future occupiers of the proposed dwellings would be affected as a result of the location of the surrounding late night noise generating uses. As such the proposed development would fail to comply with Policies 7 and 33 of the Unitary Development Plan: Policies saved beyond the 5th August 2010, Policy S2 of the Lambeth Local Development Framework Core Strategy (2011) and the Supplementary Planning Document ‘Guidance and Standards for Housing Developments and House Conversions’ (2008).

 

[Winot]

Interesting - so the potential noise from the pub actually *helped* in getting planning permission refused?