Prometheus SPOILER thread

[Reno]

No, Zeus and his parents were titans. The Greek pantheon are basically titans who've managed to beat all the others and imprison them in various ways. Like making Atlas carry the sky.

Oh OK, its a while ago that I did the Greek myths.

 

[ska invita]

That was in an earlier screenplay. Well, he rightly threw it out because it's a little OTT, so not sure why that now should be held against him or the film.

whatever happened to make the engineers want to destroy earth isnt included in the screenplay, earlier version or otherwise -the truth is held back for the possible sequel - its not about holding it against him - Ridley says it was "too on the nose" which means what they are getting at now is a slightly hazier version of this fact (not thrown out as you say), as he puts it an "our children are misbahvaing down there scenario" - but when you add in all the immaculate birth on chirstmas day stuff, you realise this is still there in the script in an absent form. Actually I am holding it against him because it shows what kind of conceptualisation is going on here.

Im done reading about this film - its a mess of myth and religion that no amount of reasoning is going to make sense of - even though it wasnt intended to be so im going to file it under accidentally Lynchian and leave it at that. In fact now I come to think about it its a lot like a modern bible story - a load of ill thought out bollocks!

 

[Pickman's model]

whatever happened to make the engineers want to destroy earth isnt included in the screenplay, earlier version or otherwise -the truth is held back for the possible sequel - its not about holding it against him - Ridley says it was "too on the nose" which means what they are getting at now is a slightly hazier version of this fact (not thrown out as you say), as he puts it an "our children are misbahvaing down there scenario" - but when you add in all the immaculate birth on chirstmas day stuff, you realise this is still there in the script in an absent form. Actually I am holding it against him because it shows what kind of conceptualisation is going on here.

Im done reading about this film - its a mess of myth and religion that no amount of reasoning is going to make sense of - even though it wasnt intended to be so im going to file it under accidentally Lynchian and leave it at that. In fact now I come to think about it its a lot like a modern bible story - a load of ill thought out bollocks!

bet lynchian?

 

[ska invita]

David figured out how to turn on their playback when he looked closely at that goo between his fingers and then pressed the controls on the wall which switched on the playback.

i imagine a simliar action was performed by the script writers when they were wanking out the plot devices

 

[Reno]

whatever happened to make the engineers want to destroy earth isnt included in the screenplay, earlier version or otherwise -the truth is held back for the possible sequel - its not about holding it against him - Ridley says it was "too on the nose" which means what they are getting at now is a slightly hazier version of this fact (not thrown out as you say), as he puts it an "our children are misbahvaing down there scenario" - but when you add in all the immaculate birth on chirstmas day stuff, you realise this is still there in the script in an absent form. Actually I am holding it against him because it shows what kind of conceptualisation is going on here.

Im done reading about this film - its a mess of myth and religion that no amount of reasoning is going to make sense of - even though it wasnt intended to be so im going to file it under accidentally Lynchian and leave it at that. In fact now I come to think about it its a lot like a modern bible story - a load of ill thought out bollocks!

The Holy Baby Xenomorph ! As a bible story, it would be considered a fairly sacreligious one by many.

 

[CyberRose]

Some cool pics I've come across of the murals in the canister room. The 'alien' mural looks like a photo of the set piece they used and the second picture, from the picture on the ceiling (which changes) is concept art.


Alien mural set piece (notice the two facehuggers at the bottom left and right of the mural?!):

Concept art of ceiling painting:

 

[ska invita]

 

[Badgers]

Going for the 4th watch today. I will let you know if that is too many times, or if it is improved with age.

 

[Orang Utan]

4 times? I don't get it - don't you get bored when you know what's going to happen? I don't think I've ever watched anything more than once on the big screen

 

[Grandma Death]

I knew before the film, I don't think it was a 'secret'. Possibly the previews referred to it? It does say in the film they're going to LV-223 (so if you know the Alien film was LV-426 then you can spot it!)

Scott has hinted strongly that he may well make trilogy of 'prequels' for Alien. Least thats what I got from his interview with Mayo on R5 a week or so back. Thats why the planet is different-he wanted people to know that Prometheus isnt in fact THE prequel to Alien.

 

[Grandma Death]

OK, another thing - partly discussed: clearly medicine has advanced hugely by the end of our current century (enough to invent a slightly sexist 'universal' surgical pod not configured for both genders, anyway). They might even have invented such kickass anaesthetics that a person could stay conscious, logical and able to stand up again after an involuntary alien caesarean.

But what I don't get is, given all that medical sophistication, why they'd still have to zip you up with an impressive zipper of shiny metal staples, which, MOREOVER, don't seem to rip your lower abs apart while you then go running, rolling, romping, leaping and abseiling about the remains of your spacecraft. I could believe Noomi Rapace capable of anything (especially if on good enough drugs) but unless human muscle tissue could be regenerated or transplanted within minutes in the future, there's still no way she could do all this Action Woman stuff without her liver falling out round her ankles.

Unless this 'surgery' had some form of advanced healing incorporated in the closing the wound process. You see something similar in Starship Troopers in the healing tank.

However without something like this you're absolutely right-no amount of painkillers wouldve prevented her innards from falling out.

 

[Badgers]

Going for the 4th watch today. I will let you know if that is too many times, or if it is improved with age.

It was a tough 4th watch. I think I have hit the Prometheus wall now. Gotta see it one more time (maximum two) but don't want to ruin it for myself

 

[Badgers]

4 times? I don't get it - don't you get bored when you know what's going to happen? I don't think I've ever watched anything more than once on the big screen

How many times have you seen Alien/Aliens?

 

[Orang Utan]

How many times have you seen Alien/Aliens?

Coupla times over the years

 

[Grandma Death]

Ive just got back from seeing it and I loved it. Occasional clunky dialogue and bad acting (who was the scottish lass? Awful) but I thought it was stylish, thought provoking and interesting. I'm gonna go back for a second viewing for sure.

 

[CyberRose]

Scott has hinted strongly that he may well make trilogy of 'prequels' for Alien. Least thats what I got from his interview with Mayo on R5 a week or so back. Thats why the planet is different-he wanted people to know that Prometheus isnt in fact THE prequel to Alien.

Yea there's definitely the intention to do a series of films (and Scott has been quite open about his desire to make Prometheus a financial success)

I also think that there might have been some issues with Alien canon if it had been set on the same planet

 

[Badgers]

Coupla times over the years

Must try harder

 

[CyberRose]

It was a tough 4th watch. I think I have hit the Prometheus wall now. Gotta see it one more time (maximum two) but don't want to ruin it for myself

You've got to see it more times!?

I've seen it twice and enjoyed it just as much the second time (paying attention to the little details you missed first time round). Don't think I could go again unless it's to watch it in 3D (altho I've not heard anything to convince me that's be worth while)

 

[Grandma Death]

You've got to see it more times!?

I've seen it twice and enjoyed it just as much the second time (paying attention to the little details you missed first time round). Don't think I could go again unless it's to watch it in 3D (altho I've not heard anything to convince me that's be worth while)

I watched it in 3D....Im still not sold on 3D-this light loss thing is annoying. In that interview I mentioned Scott left me in no doubt that he preferred the 2D version which leads me to suspect some studio pressure to release it in 3D.

 

[ska invita]

thought provoking

thats one way of describing it

 

[Badgers]

You've got to see it more times!?

I've seen it twice and enjoyed it just as much the second time (paying attention to the little details you missed first time round). Don't think I could go again unless it's to watch it in 3D (altho I've not heard anything to convince me that's be worth while)

Yeah. All times in 3D for me so far and I like it in this film, much more than others I have seen in 3D. It is deteriorating with each view but I would tell people to go if they ask.

 

[CyberRose]

I watched it in 3D....Im still not sold on 3D-this light loss thing is annoying. In that interview I mentioned Scott left me in no doubt that he preferred the 2D version which leads me to suspect some studio pressure to release it in 3D.

In this day and age there is no chance a non-3D film will top the box office charts due to the higher cost of 3D tickets. So yea you're probably right...

 

[Reno]

Yeah. All times in 3D for me so far and I like it in this film, much more than others I have seen in 3D. It is deteriorating with each view but I would tell people to go if they ask.

Have you seen Hugo ? I'm not that huge a fan of the film, but the way Scorsese used 3D was stunning. I would never want to see it any other way.

I liked the 3D in Prometheus, but I'm happy to see it at home in 2D on Blu-ray the next time.

 

[Badgers]

Have you seen Hugo ? I'm not that huge a fan of the film, but the way Scorsese used 3D was stunning. I would never want to see it any other way.

I liked the 3D in Prometheus, but I'm happy to see it at home in 2D on Blu-ray the next time.

Not seen Hugo. I was kind of anti-3D in the main so generally missed them. Prometheus dragged me out for the love of the franchise and was taken by it.

 

[binka]

saw this in 3d at imax yesterday. first time ive seen a 3d film and have to say i was pretty underwhelmed by the experience. maybe ive got dodgy eyes but the 3d was good in normal scenes but when there was any action it looked all blurred.

as for the film itself i would say it was pretty average. i too was annoyed by little things that made no sense - taking off the helmets, those blokes being shit scared one minute then trying to stroke the alien snake for no apparent reason.

one thing i didnt get - the alien ship was apparently all ready for take off destination earth when for reasons that remain unexplained the launch was abandoned and the engineers decided to have a kip instead. obviously there must be some reason for not going ahead with the original launch yet within 5 minutes of being woken up the ship is taking off. so what had changed that x thousand years ago meant the launch couldn't go ahead but now it can?

i am tempted to go and watch it again in 2d but may just wait for the dvd instead

 

[CyberRose]

one thing i didnt get - the alien ship was apparently all ready for take off destination earth when for reasons that remain unexplained the launch was abandoned and the engineers decided to have a kip instead. obviously there must be some reason for not going ahead with the original launch yet within 5 minutes of being woken up the ship is taking off. so what had changed that x thousand years ago meant the launch couldn't go ahead but now it can?

Black goo killed em all (presumably the remaining Engineer had already gone into hyper sleep?)

 

[binka]

Black goo killed em all (presumably the remaining Engineer had already gone into hyper sleep?)

well i can understand that i suppose - the holograms of the engineers running scared, the decapitated one and the pile of dead bodies were obviously meant to show some kind of panic/fight but i still dont get why the remaining engineer went into hypersleep rather than just launch the ship anyway unless i suppose he was already alseep when it all kicked off which by the sounds of it is what happened

 

[Grandma Death]

Films can and often defy logic. Characters can and often do things that we wouldn't do or indeed they themselves weren't doing earlier on in the film. These types of innacuracies/flaws are as old as filmmaking and in that sense Prometheus doesn't break with that convention.

 

[Reno]

Films can and often defy logic. Characters can and often do things that we wouldn't do or indeed they themselves weren't doing earlier on in the film. These types of innacuracies/flaws are as old as filmmaking and in that sense Prometheus doesn't break with that convention.

That's just reverse engineering to excuse poor characterwriting and motivation which is entirely there to move the plot along, rather than thought through in terms of what would be plausible behaviour for professional scientists. On a scientific mission to another planet there would be some sort of protocol in place the crew has to follow, as there is in Alien. Hopefully the characters wouldn't behave like the imbeciles in a Friday the 13th sequel unless the implication is that over the next century IQs will have dropped sharply and that this takes place in the same universe as the sci-fi satire Idiocracy.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Hopefully the characters wouldn't behave like the imbeciles in a Friday the 13th sequel unless the implication is that over the next century IQs will have dropped sharply and that this takes place in the same universe as the sci-fi satire Idiocracy.

Now that would make for an interesting new franchise branch!