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Prometheus SPOILER thread

CyberRose said:
The author of that blog probably needs to go and watch the film again considering they think the planet in Alien and the planet in Prometheus are the same!
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I hadn't thought that! I realised it couldn't be the same ship as the space jockey is still there in Alien. And the cargo is different!
 
CyberRose said:
The author of that blog probably needs to go and watch the film again considering they think the planet in Alien and the planet in Prometheus are the same!
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The two people I went to see the film with also thought it's supposed to be the same planet and wondered why the space jokey wasn't sitting in his seat at the end. It's an easy mistake to make and I think in an earlier draft, when this supposed to be a more straighforward Alien prequel, it was supposed to be the same planet.
 
Reno said:
The two people I went to see the film with also thought it's supposed to be the same planet and wondered why the space jokey wasn't sitting in his seat at the end. It's an easy mistake to make and I think in an earlier draft, when this supposed to be a more straighforward Alien prequel, it was supposed to be the same planet.
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You mean an earlier draft before Lindleof realised he could squeeze a trilogy out of the concept? ;)
 
CyberRose said:
It doesn't matter, that's the point! The same should apply to any technology in a sci fi. Some things have been done so much, like space travel or intelligent androids with human emotions, we just take them as is - we should really think that about any future technology in a work of fiction...
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That brings difficulties, though as so much sci-fi does try to explain its science
 
Orang Utan said:
So, lots of questions.
But the goo did different things - it just made Holloway sick with an ebola type disease, but it turned Fifield into a superhuman monster.
And why do basically all of the characters behave as they do?
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Maybe it did different things because they got 'infected' differently. Holloway ingested it which could have caused the black goo to start creating new life forms out of any living thing inside him - bacteria etc? Which made the bacteria life forms start to mutate/attack his body. Whereas Fifield died facedown in the goo which could have caused his bacteria to transform into life forms that could control his lifeless corpse - a bit like the Numskulls in the Beano.
 
Orang Utan said:
I really really enjoyed it though - it was loads of fun and I'm talking about it lots
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Reno said:
Same here. For all it's flaws I enjoyed the film and I'm looking forward to seeing it again.
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I'm with you here. Really enjoyed it for all it's flaws (which let's face it, most of them are just nit picking)

I've seen it twice and wasn't sure I'd enjoy it again but after reading through all the forums and making a mental note of all the questions people raise it really makes you pay attention all the way through making it just as, if not more, enjoyable than first time round!
 
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pretty convincing.
 
Orang Utan said:
Wow, you have an eye for detail. Or did you look it up?
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I knew before the film, I don't think it was a 'secret'. Possibly the previews referred to it? It does say in the film they're going to LV-223 (so if you know the Alien film was LV-426 then you can spot it!)
 
Reno said:
There are loads of inconsistencies in the film and I'm not saying I've got the answer for that. The reason why the machine can remove a foreign body from her stomach is however less of a problem for me than other things. There is enough there that you can infer a solution to that problem.
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Yeah this is a minor quibble with the film, my really problem is with weak characterisation and motivations being all over the place. Although there is a whole series stupid little inconsistancey that just pile up. I could fully accept that in a sci-fi universe there's a magic surgery machine. Its just for some reason they added the stupid line about it'll only work for males.

CyberRose said:
Nobody seems to be complaining about the lack of a satisfactory scientific explanation as to how they are able to achieve faster than light space travel...
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They travel 1/2 billion miles in 2 years. That's not faster than light, or even outside our solar system. But that aside i can accept genre conventions, like faster than light travel or taking their helmets off (it's stupid but being stupid's a party of the horror genre). It just the build up of stupidity and incosistance broke my suspension of disbelief.

Reno said:
It does and that's great. That doesn't mean every film in the series has to be preoccupied with a strong feminist subtext. How more is there to say after the first two films without getting heavy handed about it ? I thought Cameron already over egged the pudding a little in that regard.
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That's fair enough, it doesn't have to be there. But due to its heritage i was maybe expecting it.
 
Orang Utan said:
That brings difficulties, though as so much sci-fi does try to explain its science
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No sci fi can really explain any of the technology, otherwise they'd be describing modern technology, not future technology, and they'd be stinking rich with all the patents they'd registered!!
 
captainmission said:
They travel 1/2 billion miles in 2 years. That's not faster than light, or even outside our solar system. But that aside i can accept genre conventions, like faster than light travel or taking their helmets off (it's stupid but being stupid's a party of the horror genre). It just the build up of stupidity and incosistance broke my suspension of disbelief.
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Taking their helmets off isn't really a genre convention, as space travel is. I don't recall them scanning for viruses etc before taking their helmets off, just checking the atmosphere. There are some places on Earth where you'd need to wear a mask or risk serious harm (like my bedroom after a night on the piss ending with a kebab), so that is perhaps bad writing
 
magneze said:
Ok, that's pretty interesting - thanks. I see how that links all the way through the film. Although I don't see how this revelation is helping my "misunderstanding" of the film. :confused:
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Going back to this - do you still think it could all be a mistake? They are called Engineers, which implies deliberate action
 
Orang Utan said:
Here's another perspective: http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1
I only got halfway through it though, before getting exasperated with its LondonCallingesque pomposity
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I like it. There was already the theory that what happened 2,000 years ago that pissed the Engineers off was the birth of Christianity (organised religion) but I think I prefer the one on that blog to be honest. Also it fits in with us all living in sin until Jesus returns...! And that would be the rapture (which taking this theory into account would unleash a shit load of xenomorphs on us to kill us all off, probably taking seven years :D)
 
he overeggs the pudding somewhat though. He is wrong about some things too, like the mural on the wall. Scott et al aren't that deep.
 
Another nitpick: why did Scott steal the Chauvet cave paintings and stick em in a cave in Skye? It was a bit cheeky I thought, considering how meticulous he always is. He could have got some new ones done.
 
Orang Utan said:
he overeggs the pudding somewhat though. He is wrong about some things too, like the mural on the wall. Scott et al aren't that deep.
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The mural on the ceiling is something that has bugged me and will do until the DVD comes out and we get some proper screen shots (altho the one he linked to is nice and possibly shows the Engineer with his abdomen ripped putting his hand on the head of a creature that is sat down with its arms holding its legs). There will definitely be something significant about it and it changes when they enter the room. I tried to look out for what it is but you just can't see it in the cinema so gonna have to wait for DVD screen shots for that one!
 
Orang Utan said:
Going back to this - do you still think it could all be a mistake? They are called Engineers, which implies deliberate action
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Of course! They didn't call themselves Engineers - that's a human construct. An assumption on the part of the human scientists - we must have a purpose when in fact we could be a mistake or a by-product of some other scheme.
 
magneze said:
Of course! They didn't call themselves Engineers - that's a human construct. An assumption on the part of the human scientists - we must have a purpose when in fact we could be a mistake or a by-product of some other scheme.
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The way you continue to reject all the themes and actions which drive the plot of the film and give you clues as to how it all links up, as close to random events, is on the a little on the wacky side. :eek:
 
CyberRose said:
I enjoyed the film as I said on the other thread but there's loads that could have improved it, if only minor adjustments.

I do think the Milburn/Fifield scene could've been done differently. Someone pointed out why they were going the opposite direction to the life form reading yet when come face to face with the snake Milburn thinks it's cute and wants to pet it (inevitably leading to it violently killing him). It would've been much better had they both absolutely shited themselves all over their suites and we could have had a proper horror scene akin to Alien while the snakes stalk and kill them both (obviously this would have had to be dealt with in the later scene when the rest of the crew go back to the room). This could then have allowed Holloway to be the one transformed into a super strength monster, rather than Fifield, which would have got rid of the question why the black goo affects humans differently.
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They were liked the characters in Star Trek who you know are going to get bumped off. Plus their deaths by tentacles was really cheesy. Would have been better if they hadn't been killed off but came to the rescue later on in the movie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_(character)
 
Reno said:
The way you continue to reject all the themes and actions which drive the plot of the film and give you clues as to how it all links up, as close to random events, is on the a little on the wacky side. :eek:
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Your way of reading it is not the only way. Maybe you can point out where it is clear that humans were deliberately created by the Engineers? The human characters make that assumption, in a similar way that David makes the assumption that he was created for a purpose - not "just because we could".
 
magneze said:
Your way of reading it is not the only way. Maybe you can point out where it is clear that humans were deliberately created by the Engineers? The human characters make that assumption, in a similar way that David makes the assumption that he was created for a purpose - not "just because we could".
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Yes, it is the only way the beginning is supposed to be interpreted. As others have also pointed out, the film isn't supposed to be a free for all ambiguity fest.

But I'm bored with you and with repeating myself. Please feel free to look at the film as a series of random events which don't amount to any sort of plot, meaning or themes.
 
Reno said:
Yes, it is the only way the beginning is supposed to be interpreted. As others have also pointed out, the film isn't supposed to be a free for all ambiguity fest.

But I'm bored with you and with repeating myself. Please feel free to look at the film as a series of random events which don't amount to any sort of plot, meaning or themes.
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So you can't point out where it unambiguously shows this. Glad that's sorted then.
 
magneze said:
So you can't point out where it unambiguously shows this. Glad that's sorted then.
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I can point you to interviews with the screenwriter and he seems to be quite unambiguous about it:

Damon Lindelof:

So the idea behind Prometheus was: If we as human beings in the future got a clue or an indication of our origins ... and then we had coordinates, we actually had directions to go and basically meet our makers, what kind of people would go there?
This movie was going to say, What if creation wasn’t the result of some kind of all-knowing deity? What if it’s the result of something we can actually go and visit? Are we the result of an experiment, and what’s the purpose of that experiment? Are we deemed a success or a failure?


http://www.npr.org/2012/06/07/154163335/damon-lindelof-risks-the-wrath-of-loyal-fans-again
http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2012/06/interview-prometheus-screenwriter-damon-lindelof
 
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