Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I don't think so. I think it they were designed. The xenomorph certainly appears designed to be a maximum badass
Prometheus SPOILER thread
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Reno
The In Kraut
In Greek mythology Prometheus was a titan (and if the marbled engineer doesn't literally look like a Greek statue of a titan, then I don't know what does) who was elemental in creating and sustaining of human life. That's what happens at the start of the film, the bit which magneze thinks is a mere suicide but which is meant to be a self sacrifice that kick starts evolution on earth. After he falls in the water, we see the DNA that is released which starts forming into life.
Then in the late 21st century our loved up archeologists discover ancient murals all round the world which refer to aliens creating humans, which gets them an amazing amount of funding by the Weyland corporation to fly though space to say 'hi' to the creators of the human race.
On the planet we meet the engineers from the beginning of the film again, again creating life but of a different kind and as Elizabeth figures out, one that is supposed to now destroy humanity. And the deadly creatures are early version of the creatures from the Alien films: a giant face hugger which impregantes the engineer and (in the coda) an early version of the xenomorph.
All these things aren't even that ambiguous to me, they just require a little linking of the dots.
Then in the late 21st century our loved up archeologists discover ancient murals all round the world which refer to aliens creating humans, which gets them an amazing amount of funding by the Weyland corporation to fly though space to say 'hi' to the creators of the human race.
On the planet we meet the engineers from the beginning of the film again, again creating life but of a different kind and as Elizabeth figures out, one that is supposed to now destroy humanity. And the deadly creatures are early version of the creatures from the Alien films: a giant face hugger which impregantes the engineer and (in the coda) an early version of the xenomorph.
All these things aren't even that ambiguous to me, they just require a little linking of the dots.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
The film isn't the bible, to be interpreted. It's just that the plotting is such a mess that there is a lot of scope for misunderstanding. There IS a correct 'reading' to be had somewhere!
CyberRose
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Well while the black goo isn't necessarily DNA itself (rather it alters DNA), then considering we have the same DNA as the engineers then that is the only DNA between Engineers, humans taht we have in the film and what came out of the humans/Engineers so yea I suppose they could all be mutant Engineers!
The opening scene suggests humans were created by the Engineer combining the black goo with his own DNA and spreading it across the world. I don't know about DNA but if the black goo modified his DNA into various strands it could have created all life in Earth but then would it still be identical? Does identical DNA make identical species (so should we look like Engineers?). I don't know about the science but the film says it's identical because the Engineers made us out of their own DNA!
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I forgot that Prometheus was a Titan. So he was made by the gods too, then?
Reno
The In Kraut
Good call, but why did it take them gazillions of years ?
Reno
The In Kraut
In Greek mythology the Titans were gods who were created by Zeus. If that aspect is supposed to be taken at face value may be revealed by a sequel but I think the important bit that relates to the film is that Prometheus was a creator of life. That's what the Titan-like engineers do.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Ooh lookie here - have only read a bit so far, but it has a lot of the things being discussed here on it:
http://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/uswn1/prometheus_everything_explained_and_analysed/c4ydd9f
http://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/uswn1/prometheus_everything_explained_and_analysed/c4ydd9f
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Good guardian summing up of plot holes:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/jun/08/prometheus-ten-key-questions
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/jun/08/prometheus-ten-key-questions
CyberRose
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Yes seen that before, found it a bit smug and pedantic to be honest, but then it is the Guardian so I suppose I should expect that!
1. They answered their own question
2. They answered their own question
3. Explained in the film - money
4. Fair question, tho they can't ask why it affects Engineers, humans or snakes in different ways because they are different to start with!
5. Cut scenes, viral videos, to play a role in a sequel
6. It's not that he doesn't want to reveal himself, but he only has "days" to live, so is kept in hypersleep until necessary to get up
7. Holloway gave David permission to put the goo in his drink, in a roundabout way!
8. She pumped herself with pain killers quite regularly after the op and was obviously in a lot of pain (altho this did seem to disappear when she was running away from the crashing ship). But hey, this is the future and an advanced-by-the-future's-standards surgical machine did the surgery!
9. That the very question is asked is probably praise for the film as this is the kind of question sci-fi films should leave us asking ourselves. Saying that, it's more likely to whet our appetite for a sequel (read trilogy)
10. Think plenty others came up with the story before the X-Files did!
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
i thought that was the least objectionable really. People are always tougher than reality in action movies. It's accepted.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
though there is a rather appropriate quote from Sir Ridley at the end:
The most important, significant thing in all films - I don’t give a shit whether it’s science fiction or a western or whatever - is the goddamn screenplay. Get the screenplay right and all this technology enhances it. But when the screenplay is weak…" Ridley Scott
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
oh yeah, that blog post reminded me of Fifield smoking a tobacco bong inside his spacesuit. I mean, really?
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Had a lengthy discussion in the pub the other and this one came up too...
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Yup my other half is a doctor, she was incredulous to put it politely!
captainmission
Well-Known Member
Can anyone remember what killed the scottish doctor? I remember her getting knock out by female archaeologist (in a cunning plan she concocted whilst heavily sedated, dealing with the horrific death of her partner and the realisation she had space squid in her womb). I can't remember seeing her after this. Did she go with guy pierce and get killed by the angry space elephant? or did she just die when the ship blew up?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
the Engineer battered her and the rest of the crew
Lord Camomile
Yipchaa!
The writers realised she was utterly pointless so just stopped writing about her.
The real question is how the other characters survived so long.
The real question is how the other characters survived so long.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
that was daft, although one does not always behave rationally when running for one's life
CyberRose
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Actually, they missed what is perhaps the most important question of all as far as the plot goes (not that I'd describe it as a plot hole but more of a talking point): What did David say to the Engineer?
Having seen the film twice and making a point to pay particular attention to that scene it's very interesting! The Engineer wakes up, coughs/pukes for having been in hypersleep for 2000 years (nice touch I thought!) and very calmly looks at the humans. Weyland asks David to ask the Engineer something like what's the secret to immortal life, Shaw screams to David to ask why the Engineers want to destroy us and what we did wrong. David speaks to the Engineer, at one point looking at Weyland apparently referring to him, after which the Engineer strokes David's face, rips his head of and whacks Weyland with it. Up until that point the Engineer showed no aggression.
So did David ask Weyland's question, Shaw's question or, and this is my favourite, did he ask his own question, to provoke that reaction from the Engineer?
captainmission
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yeah i didn't get why why the machine was only set for males, yet was still able to abdominal surgery on her. I think someone should have told ridley that ladies bit are a little different from mens.
CyberRose
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Now THAT is the question! The only thing I can think of it was coming down too fast and was too wide to run to the side, but still, they should have been running diagonally!
CyberRose
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It was there for Weyland (hence designed for male surgery). She manually programmed it for herself
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
I didn't think about what he actually said, but thought that the Engineer realised that David was an android, or not human and so decided to destroy him.
(as in he's thinking 'oh noes, the people we made made peoples too, best nip that one in the bud right away')
Reno
The In Kraut
It was for the exclusive use for Weyland, Vickers lies about that when she says the escape pod is for her, as not to let on that he is on board.
Stomach surgery to remove something like a tumour is pretty much the same for a man or a woman and that's what she programs the machine for.
*edit*
Cyber Rose beat me to it.
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