Professionals send Brixton property prices surging by 15%

[Mrs Magpie]

My rent's gone down, I must be one of the few to have had that happen.

It's your Scandanavian charm. Or the landlord is scared of Vikings.

 

[Manter]

It's your Scandanavian charm. Or the landlord is scared of Vikings.

is he one of the vikings that beat me to it? When I was 'lost'?

 

[Manter]

btw, the thread title is now a bit out of date. Brixton prices have gone up over 17% now. Which isn't as much as my rent has gone up over the last 10 years.

that's a hell of a lot compared to the RPI and inflation....

 

[Mrs Magpie]

that's a hell of a lot compared to the RPI and inflation....

Technically it's linked to inflation but 'service charges' don't come under that.

 

[RaverDrew]

But 'white flight' is something entirely different.

Many would disagree with you, including Trevor Phillips, former head of the Commission for Racial Equality. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/race...-for-more-segregation-in-schools-7186007.html

Mr Phillips said the phenomenon of "white flight" from racially mixed areas was behind the problem.

"To put it crudely, white parents, particularly, are unhappy about putting children in schools where they think their children are going to be in a minority.

"And that creates a dynamic of white flight from those schools and, therefore, those residential areas."

 

[Manter]

Technically it's linked to inflation but 'service charges' don't come under that.

god, there are endless get out clauses so they can screw people over. This is making me grumpy

 

[TruXta]

It's your Scandanavian charm. Or the landlord is scared of Vikings.

The landlady and I have never met - she lives in France. We got her to ditch the property "managers" and she took what she would've paid those feckless bastards off the rent.

 

[MillwallShoes]

Many would disagree with you, including Trevor Phillips, former head of the Commission for Racial Equality. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/race...-for-more-segregation-in-schools-7186007.html

and what he is talking about is the real sickener. schooling along racial lines. there's where the real racism is at.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Many would disagree with you, including Trevor Phillips, former head of the Commission for Racial Equality. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/race...-for-more-segregation-in-schools-7186007.html

How's that different? Basically that's about white parents not wanting to send their kids to schools they don't think are white enough, and moving, which boils down to the same thing, doesn't it?

 

[ddraig]

enjoy your cupcake, but make sure you single speed bike is locked up

I live in Cardiff and happy here
have worked and lived in South London and i reiterate that Eltham and Welling are shitholes, Penge a bit less so
my mate moved his family from penge to hayes so they could get a house instead of a flat and a garden

 

[RaverDrew]

and what he is talking about is the real sickener. schooling along racial lines. there's where the real racism is at.

Indeed, it only serves to perpetuate the problem.

 

[Manter]

Many would disagree with you, including Trevor Phillips, former head of the Commission for Racial Equality. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/race...-for-more-segregation-in-schools-7186007.html

I think that is East London, and out of date. White flight is typically white people moving away to get away from a new, usually poor, minority community that scares/threatens them (such as happened in Bradford, parts of leeds & birmingham etc) that then results in loss of established businesses, boarded up shops, more immigration of the same community, ghettoisation, collapse in property values, less economic opportunity, soaring crime etc etc- it is the ultimate result of fucked up immigration policies. It may have applied to windrush brixton, but really not now- as I say, I think he is talking about a different time, in a different part of london, and using hyperbole

 

[editor]

Many would disagree with you, including Trevor Phillips, former head of the Commission for Racial Equality. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/race...-for-more-segregation-in-schools-7186007.html

What?? That old article is about parents trying to move their kids into different schools. It's got nothing to do with the claims of "white flight" supposedly going on in south London.

 

[MillwallShoes]

and before i get misinterpreted again, my little un will be going to a secondary school where it's 30% white. i don't want to be applauded, just not accused of racism because i happen to have mentioned the word "white flight"

 

[TruXta]

I live in Cardiff and happy here
have worked and lived in South London and i reiterate that Eltham and Welling are shitholes, Penge a bit less so
my mate moved his family from penge to hayes so they could get a house instead of a flat and a garden

At least in Penge you're only minutes away from more interesting places.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Either you're an idiot racist or you don't actually understand what "white flight" means. Here. Read and learn.

You know that exact same page you're using the very first sentence only of in order to call a new poster an idiot racist includes a more detailed section on the ethnic changes within London in a way that fits in fairly well with what he's saying?

For centuries, London was the destination for refugees and immigrants from Europe. Although all the immigrants were European, neighborhoods showed ethnic succession over time, as older residents moved out (in some cases, ethnic British) and new immigrants moved in – often both movements at once. Although the majority of London's population was still ethnic English and British. This was similar to what is now described as "white flight" following arrival of non-white ethnicities. For instance, in the 17th and 18th century, the East End had many French Huguenot (Protestant) refugees, who managed the silk-weaving industry. At its peak in the mid-18th century, 12,000 silk weavers were employed in the Spitalfields area.[56] In 1742 they built a church, La Neuve Eglise. Later it became used as a Methodist chapel to serve mostly poor East Enders from around England. Although in the 17th century, the East End also had Sephardic Jewish immigrants, it was not until the concentration of 19th-century Ashkenazi Jewish immigration from eastern Europe, that the Methodist chapel was adapted as the Machzikei HaDath, or Spitalfields Great Synagogue; it was consecrated in 1898. By the 1870s, thousands of unskilled Jewish immigrants were garment workers in sweatshops.[57] Descendants of Jewish immigrants became educated, took better jobs, and gradually moved on to other parts of London and its suburbs, and new immigrants settled in the area. Since 1976, the synagogue was converted to the Jamme Masjid mosque, which serves the local ethnic Bangladeshi population, who are Muslim.[58]
In the 2001 Census, the London boroughs of Newham and Brent were the first areas to have non-white majorities.[59] All major British cities have white-majority populations.[60] Although not all were of ethnic British origin (English, Scots and Welsh). It has also been forecast that places like Birmingham and Leicester will have non-white majority populations in time.[61]
A 2005 report stated that white migration within the UK is mainly from areas of high ethnic minority population to those with predominantly white populations. White British families have moved out of London as many immigrants have settled in the capital. The report's writers expressed concern about British social cohesion and stated that different ethnic groups were living "parallel lives"; they were concerned that lack of contact between the groups could result in fear more readily exploited by extremists. The London School of Economics in a study found similar results.[62]
A 2006 BBC article states that Trevor Phillips, head of the UK Commission for Equalities and Human Rights, and Mike Poulsen, an Australian academic, have argued that White Britons and non-white Britons are becoming more ethnically segregated.[63] But, researchers Ceri Peach, Danny Dorling and Ludi Simpson have argued that segregation in the UK is either stable or declining.[64] Simpson says that the growth of ethnic minorities in Britain is due mostly to natural population growth (births outnumber deaths) rather than immigration. Both white and non-white Britons who can do so economically are equally likely to leave mixed-race inner-city areas. In his opinion, these trends indicate counter urbanisation rather than white flight.[65]

 

[MillwallShoes]

it's not

I think that is East London, and out of date. White flight is typically white people moving away to get away from a new, usually poor, minority community that scares/threatens them (such as happened in Bradford, parts of leeds & birmingham etc) that then results in loss of established businesses, boarded up shops, more immigration of the same community, ghettoisation, collapse in property values, less economic opportunity, soaring crime etc etc- it is the ultimate result of fucked up immigration policies. It may have applied to windrush brixton, but really not now- as I say, I think he is talking about a different time, in a different part of london, and using hyperbole[/quote

it's not hyperbole! the white middle classes more often than not do send their kids to inner city london secondary schools!

it's not hyperbole! the white middle classes more often than not do not send their kids to inner city london secondary schools!

 

[editor]

and before i get misinterpreted again, my little un will be going to a secondary school where it's 30% white. i don't want to be applauded, just not accused of racism because i happen to have mentioned the word "white flight"

Now that the meaning of the word has been carefully explained to you, perhaps you could give some examples of where this "white flight" is supposedly still taking place in south London, and detail the minorities that are driving the whites out?

 

[editor]

You know that exact same page you're using the very first sentence only of in order to call a new poster an idiot racist includes a more detailed section on the ethnic changes within London in a way that fits in fairly well with what he's saying?

Where does it mention 'white flight' currently taking place in south London?

 

[Winot]

It's definitely the case ime that middle class parents (of which I am one) avoid schools they don't see as being 'right' for their children, and partly being 'right' means a decent proportion of 'people like us'.

Our kids' school is about 5% white British (mainly black African/Afro-Carribean) and is shunned by the white middle class (and no, it wasn't our first choice but has turned out to be great). But it might well also be shunned if it were full of white working class.

 

[RaverDrew]

How's that different? Basically that's about white parents not wanting to send their kids to schools they don't think are white enough, and moving, which boils down to the same thing, doesn't it?

Different to what ? Read the quote, it's one of the factors that leads to "white flight" from certain areas.

What?? That old article is about parents trying to move their kids into different schools. It's got nothing to do with the claims of "white flight" supposedly going on in south London.

It's anarticle from 6 years ago so isn't valid ? You're clutching at straws here I think. "White flight" is a term that is frequently used to describe what MillwallShoes was saying, there's nothing racist about it.

 

[MillwallShoes]

Now that the meaning of the word has been carefully explained to you, perhaps you could give some examples of where this "white flight" is supposedly still taking place in south London, and detail the minorities that are driving the whites out?

you're like a dog with a bone. white flight as i understand can be caused by many things. but you're not going to let up on your obsession with minorities, are you?

 

[editor]

you're like a dog with a bone. white flight as i understand can be caused by many things. but you're not going to let up on your obsession with minorities, are you?

You're the one using a term referencing race, not me.

 

[Manter]

it's not


it's not hyperbole! the white middle classes more often than not do not send their kids to inner city london secondary schools!

you've missed my point. In some parts of london, you have schools next to each other that are becoming racial segregated. That is completely different to whites large scale giving up on areas and leaving lock stock and barrel to avoid minorities (when of course they wouldn't drive their kids back there every morning for school)- the former is racial segregation within a community, the latter is white flight from a community. And in Brixton, middle class professionals, often white, are moving in.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Where does it mention 'white flight' currently taking place in south London?

I know better than to expect anything I say not to be aggressively misrepesented now so I'm out of this one. You may proclaim pwnage.

 

[RaverDrew]

Where does it mention 'white flight' currently taking place in south London?

So you don't believe that it happens ?

I think you need to step out of the little "Brixton Bubble" for a bit and see what has been happening in other parts of South London for decades. Brixton is a far more mixed and tolerant place than any other part of South London.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

Different to what ? Read the quote, it's one of the factors that leads to "white flight" from certain areas.

...maybe I've missed summat, I haven't read the entire thread, but what's happening in Brixton isn't white flight. It's richer largely white people moving in.

 

[TruXta]

So you don't believe that it happens ?

I think you need to step out of the little "Brixton Bubble" for a bit and see what has been happening in other parts of South London for decades. Brixton is a far more mixed and tolerant place than any other part of South London.

It is? Didn't really have much of a different experience when I was in Kennington.

 

[MillwallShoes]

if you want me to say that many whtie working class left london because of ethnic minorities, then there is probably some truth in that. racist white working classes who don't like black people might have upsticks for them reasons. that's not the reason why most of my mates have moved out though. they moved out because they couldn't afford to buy a decent house there.

 

[Manter]

if you want me to say that many whtie working class left london because of ethnic minorities, then there is probably some truth in that. racist white working classes who don't like black people might have upsticks for them reasons. that's not the reason why most of my mates have moved out though. they moved out because they couldn't afford to buy a decent house there.

so it isn't white flight! its economic factors!

ergo, @editor's point- why bring race into it?