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hiraethified
That's not universally true at all. A lot of people fought to stay there: Heygate Estate residents fight compulsory purchase order
Professionals send Brixton property prices surging by 15%
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MillwallShoes
Don't kill the Lion
the biggest tragedy, and the biggest sickener for me, if you really want to pin something on the middle class urban, is education. where i live in west norwood, we have palace up the road and cafes stock full every morning of yummy mummies and their posh prams.
their kids are almost entirely absent from the secondary schools round here though. there's a real class and race issue right there, the way these people wouldn't dream of sending their kids to london state schools.
believe me, they scarper sharpish when that kid is beyond primary years...
the devide in london education is far more important than house prices in brixton and cupcakes.
their kids are almost entirely absent from the secondary schools round here though. there's a real class and race issue right there, the way these people wouldn't dream of sending their kids to london state schools.
believe me, they scarper sharpish when that kid is beyond primary years...
the devide in london education is far more important than house prices in brixton and cupcakes.
MillwallShoes
Don't kill the Lion
no, of course not. but amongst people i know, they wanted out. eltham welling etc first of all, then moving further out to the medway towns.
white flight.
still happens today, but it's the middle class whites now fleeing.
MillwallShoes
Don't kill the Lion
because they could afford to and they liked the place?
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hiraethified
So you now admit your point about the Heygate was ill-informed tosh?
What's race got to do with this?
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hiraethified
Do you think Brixton is affordable now, then? How does 265k for a one bedroom Barratts Home sound?
MillwallShoes
Don't kill the Lion
where did i say about heygate specifically. i know plenty of people from okr, walworth, peckham, new cross, who moved because they didn't like the area anymore, and because of house prices.
see, it's that wretched hosuing market again. but it's the way it works. it's simple economics and shouting and screaming about cup cakes and single speed bikes is missing hte point. areas change.
and it was a form of white flight when the mass white working class deserted innner london for the home counties. if i can't call it white flight, then god help us
MillwallShoes
Don't kill the Lion
to many people, clearly. what can we do about it?
Frumious B.
Well-Known Member
Anyway, it's no use blaming the free flow of capital in the housing market - the root of the problem is that successive governments have engineered a huge gap between rich and poor. Rich and poor used to be able to live cheek by jowl, now they can't. Thatcher started it, Blair and Cameron have continued it. Westminster Council followed their lead, and now Lambeth Council is doing the same. Perhaps John Major would have put the brakes on, but he didn't get a chance to do anything much. Except the National Lottery, which bought us lots of Olympic medals and Bradley Wiggins. Thatcher, Blair and Cameron chose to restructure society into a sort of America-lite: more enterprising, but more greedy and divided. And we are on the front line. The young professional army is advancing. They've conquered Acre Lane and Brixton Hill, now they're gobbling up Coldharbour.
MillwallShoes
Don't kill the Lion
i'm a millwall fan and our core support used to come from inner city south east london. now they come from say eltham and beyond. why is that? i don't put it down to immigration. more the housing market in full force. people move out of their elephant council house, want some more space, can't afford elephant, so they go to erith or orpington, etc.
just the way it works. the same is happening in bricky now
just the way it works. the same is happening in bricky now
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
that explains a lot
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hiraethified
Why is it "white flight" as opposed to "working class flight"? Could you explain, please?
MillwallShoes
Don't kill the Lion
like what?
MillwallShoes
Don't kill the Lion
because it was a mainly whites who left?
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hiraethified
To be replaced by....?
MillwallShoes
Don't kill the Lion
people like you. urbanites who think they're edgy living in brixton, driving up the house prices 
MillwallShoes
Don't kill the Lion
maybe you should retrain as a postman or dustman, then you can be REALLY working class 
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hiraethified
Either you're an idiot racist or you don't actually understand what "white flight" means. Here. Read and learn.
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hiraethified
This is the bit where you realy lose the argument, isn't it?people like you. urbanites who think they're edgy living in brixton, driving up the house prices
Manter
Lunch Mob
this is what bugs me. One of the things that used to be amazing about London (and still is, but to a lesser extent) is that there weren't any rich ghettos- Everywhere was mixed to some extent. It is, as you say becoming less like that, which is really, really sad. London is losing one of its defining characteristics.
that is only a problem because of the above- and then people become the enemy, as opposed to just other people who happen to live there. Sure lots of the (not so young) professionals buying up Brixton are perfectly decent people, its the policies that are to blame not the people
MillwallShoes
Don't kill the Lion
there's no argument, all i am doing is explaining how the housing market works. and it'll will always work like that - sad but true. unless you dismantle the whole thing, brixton this year, PENGE the next.
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hiraethified
And the "white flight" bit? Are you going to explain that?
MillwallShoes
Don't kill the Lion
THIS ^ and it's the future, too
TruXta
tired
If there ever was white flight in London and the SE that's over a long time ago. This website has a great overview of current ethnic settlement patterns in London http://www.londonprofiler.org/ - click on "Multicultural atlas of London".
Manter
Lunch Mob
it isn't white flight. Race has very little to do with it, and people only mention it in relation to Brixton because its traditionally 'vibrant' or whatever the current euphemism is. it is, IMHO, money, and our increasing obsession with the stuff
MillwallShoes
Don't kill the Lion
well, in the future, it'll be everyone fleeing. simply because they can't afford to live here. as has been said, the centre pushes out. but yes, working class people, who happened to be white, have deserted inner london. there are some still left, bermondsey still has a large white working class, but other areas less so.
are suppose they're all racists though?
Manter
Lunch Mob
and black flight from parts of N london, and asian flight, and jewish flight etc- there have always been waves moving through, but they used (I think) to be mixed income waves, rather than money forcing its way out of the centre
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
..but it isn't white flight at all. I actually know far more black people who have left Brixton and now live in places like Bellingham, Mitcham, Bromley. All my white working class rellies are still here (Camberwell and Walworth, they didn't live in Brixton) except for my ex-Mother-In-Law who went to Leysdown.
