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well, in the future, it'll be everyone fleeing. simply because they can't afford to live here. as has been said, the centre pushes out. but yes, working class people, who happened to be white, have deserted inner london. there are some still left, bermondsey still has a large white working class, but other areas less so.

are suppose they're all racists though?
So you actually don't understand what 'white flight' means then, although your continuing use of the inflammatory phrase hints that perhaps you're one of those unreconstructed Millwall fans that the club wishes it was long shot of.
 
Although I think the 'hostile response to newcomers' rep that urban has is overstated a lot of the time this is shaping up to be a classic example. Don't engage with the points, pick on where it looks 'wrong' and distort the argument. Claims of 'pwnage' no doubt to follow. :facepalm:
 
So you actually don't understand what 'white flight' means then, although your continuing use of the inflammatory phrase hints that perhaps you're one of those unreconstructed Millwall fans that the club wishes it was long shot of.
I don't get what's inflammatory about the phrase, it's a pretty conventional term in demographics and sociology.
 
Tbf a lot of what MillwallShoes says is totally correct, there was massive amounts working class "white flight" from inner city South London in the 80's and 90's.
So what minorities were they fleeing from? And he says it's still happening, so perhaps you could expand on that too?
 
I'm a young professional and so's my wife. We moved to Brixton 7 years ago because it was affordable and loads of our friends lived here. Now we've put down roots and bought a house here, and our kids will go to the local schools, primary and secondary. Prejudice can fuck off. Good parenting > "right" schools.
there's no argument, all i am doing is explaining how the housing market works. and it'll will always work like that - sad but true. unless you dismantle the whole thing, brixton this year, PENGE the next.
You are exactly right. Ignore the snippy arguments around the edge of your argument, it's correct at the core. And we are all playing our parts in the process you describe. I am fully aware of the history of the house I now live in (council house, right to buy, sold on at a massive profit), but what can I do?
 
Although I think the 'hostile response to newcomers' rep that urban has is overstated a lot of the time this is shaping up to be a classic example. Don't engage with the points, pick on where it looks 'wrong' and distort the argument. Claims of 'pwnage' no doubt to follow. :facepalm:
No, you're totally wrong. He started of throwing around lazy generalisations and has rightly been picked up on what seems a rather dodgy claim about white flight - but all of the debate thus far has been polite.
 
I don't get what's inflammatory about the phrase, it's a pretty conventional term in demographics and sociology.
white flight is, I believe, white people running away from minorities, not people who happen to be white leaving an area they can't afford. Tho as Mrs Magpie says, flight round here isn't white so it is a bit off track anyway.

I really do think its economic not racial at the moment
 
One of the most destructive individual policies was the relaxation of rules on buy to let mortgages. Landlords with 1 or 2 properties were given a vast torrent of cheap loans enabling them to buy ten or twenty, or one hundred or two hundred. This policy was presented as a way to increase the amount of affordable private rented housing. And at first that's what it did. But after a few years we've ended up with a new class of uber-rich grasping landlords - as if the Duke of Westminster and Peter Rachman have been put out to stud in a state sponsored breeding programme.
 
Except it's about white people leaving because black people move in. What's actually closer to the truth is black people selling their nice victorian terrace ex-council places and richer white people moving in.
Indeed. He's got it totally wrong.
 
Except it's about white people leaving because black people move in. What's actually closer to the truth is black people selling their nice victorian terrace ex-council places and richer white people moving in.

Sure, but I was making a point about the phrase itself, which IMO doesn't condone, it merely labels. The second sentence is of course correct.
 
One of the most destructive individual policies was the relaxation of rules on buy to let mortgages. Landlords with 1 or 2 properties were given a vast torrent of cheap loans enabling them to buy ten or twenty, or one hundred or two hundred. This policy was presented as a way to increase the amount of affordable private rented housing. And at first that's what it did. But after a few years we've ended up with a new class of uber-rich grasping landlords - as if the Duke of Westminster and Peter Rachman have been put out to stud in a state sponsored breeding programme.
is that an issue in Brixton? Barratt Ghetto square may bring it to Brixton, but not personally seen much buy to let round here- what private letting I have seen is yps like me and crispy letting out a flat when they move in with their other half. Tho may be wrong
 
One of the most destructive individual policies was the relaxation of rules on buy to let mortgages. Landlords with 1 or 2 properties were given a vast torrent of cheap loans enabling them to buy ten or twenty, or one hundred or two hundred. This policy was presented as a way to increase the amount of affordable private rented housing. And at first that's what it did. But after a few years we've ended up with a new class of uber-rich grasping landlords - as if the Duke of Westminster and Peter Rachman have been put out to stud in a state sponsored breeding programme.
The right to buy council houses was also a killer blow. Some people were quick to turn a sharp profit and sell them on to property developers who then set prices soaring.
 
The right to buy council houses was also a killer blow. Some people were quick to turn a sharp profit and sell them on to property developers who then set prices soaring.
all of those we looked at, the families lived in them for 20 odd years and are selling now- the Brixton ex council terraces. So they weren't greedy/profiteering, they have made good decisions for their families. Policy may be wrong, but don't think the people who bought should be condemned

E2A- condemn too strong a word... you know what I mean
 
all of those we looked at, the families lived in them for 20 odd years and are selling now- the Brixton ex council terraces. So they weren't greedy/profiteering, they have made good decisions for their families. Policy may be wrong, but don't think the people who bought should be condemned
I don't blame families for buying cheap council property and then selling it on for a profit. I blame the government that allowed the social housing system to be dismantled in such a mannner.
 
as i say son, close down your urban website (drives house prices up), retrain as a post man, live on teh angel, and then you'll be the real deal:p
 
So what minorities were they fleeing from? And he says it's still happening, so perhaps you could expand on that too?

I've seen it in my lifetime, the demographics of estates in South London changing hugely and rapidly at times. It's not always a case of people or families fleeing from minorities, there's often other economic reasons, but I've lost count of the amount of friends and families, some of which have lived in the same area for generations, shifted and relocated further and further out of London.

It's not just "white flight" either, bme communities are being forced out too nowadays, there's plenty who have left Brixton to places like Thornton Heath.
 
I've seen it in my lifetime, the demographics of estates in South London changing hugely and rapidly at times. It's not always a case of people or families fleeing from minorities, there's often other economic reasons, but I've lost count of the amount of friends and families, some of which have lived in the same area for generations, shifted and relocated further and further out of London.

It's not just "white flight" either, bme communities are being forced out too nowadays, there's plenty who have left Brixton to places like Thornton Heath.
Thornton Heath :eek:

yeah- that's what I mean- there is a financial cleansing of all the tube lines, basically.
 
I've seen it in my lifetime, the demographics of estates in South London changing hugely and rapidly at times. It's not always a case of people or families fleeing from minorities, there's often other economic reasons, but I've lost count of the amount of friends and families, some of which have lived in the same area for generations, shifted and relocated further and further out of London.
Yes, demographics have been changing and will continue to change, mainly for economic reasons. But 'white flight' is something entirely different.
 
I don't blame families for buying cheap council property and then selling it on for a profit. I blame the government that allowed the social housing system to be dismantled in such a mannner.
Not just dismantled. Not replaced with anything.... if there was an alternative for people on low incomes I would be more relaxed, but as it is....
 
btw, the thread title is now a bit out of date. Brixton prices have gone up over 17% now. Which isn't as much as my rent has gone up over the last 10 years.
 
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