snowy_again
Slush
How does the pop example relate to something like Off the Cuff - where there have been similar noise complaints from pre-existing residents (who might or might not wear jaunty hats)?
Pop Brixton (formerly Grow Brixton) Pope's Road development
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Rushy
basically a scrotum
Yep. They said that it hasn't even occurred to them and was no problem to do in the morning instead.
T & P
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Good question. Many venues have been lost, but most of the ones I remember seemed to have been caused by land owners cashing in.
The Fridge Bar lost its licence but IIRC that was more to do with fighting and such problems than with noise.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Fridge bar got away with a lot of complaints though. In the end it was CPOd for the town hall.
3Zeros
Active Member
The Agent of Change principal should be adopted by local councils. What is 'Agent of Change'... and why is it important? - Music Venue Trust . But I'd also like to see local councils taking a sensible approach to noise control when it comes to music. Living on CHL pretty close to the Dogstar I'd say the noise from traffic, sirens and people (especially the "shouters") is far more disturbing than any music from surrounding venues, but people wouldn't get far complaining about that to the council...
Pop is outdoors though, and under the Agent of Change, would be responsible for ensuring they controlled their noise levels. I was in Bristol recently at an outdoor party and they used directional speakers so that the crowd in front of the DJ booth got great levels of sound but there was very little "leakage". It's something that Pop should look to invest in.
Pop is outdoors though, and under the Agent of Change, would be responsible for ensuring they controlled their noise levels. I was in Bristol recently at an outdoor party and they used directional speakers so that the crowd in front of the DJ booth got great levels of sound but there was very little "leakage". It's something that Pop should look to invest in.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
From what I can make out - having investigated acceptable sound thresholds etc with regard to our community hall - the officers will have had to attend and meter the sound level in order to properly assess the complaints, so it - the sound output - will have to have exceeded the acceptable (as defined by local legislation) level.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
This is an interesting one.
The owner of the Dogstar - former Atlantic now licensed for three story night club- put in an application to build flats where the beer garden is now.
I opposed this on basis that the applicant is running a late night venue and its not suitable place to build flats. IMO he was trying to cash in on house prices buy trying to get planning application to build flats on the premises.
He finally got the planning application agreed. As in theory there should be no noise problem if the venue is operating within its license agreements.
In theory.
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Gramsci
Well-Known Member
The other problem is when applicants put in for one kind of development and it leads to another.
The Prince of Wales is an example. Back when it was going to be a private club / hotel it got permission to use the roof terrace purely for the users of the hotel/ club.
This appeared reasonable and no one objected.
Few years down the line its full on club on the roof. The owners realised the way the planning permission was worded they could run a club on the roof. Not in the spirit in which the original planning was sought for or given. But there you go .
editor
hiraethified
Here's the source article:
Hunt begins for architect to revamp Brixton’s Atlantic Road
Personally I already find the area an attractive environment for walking, shopping and cycling, and as far as I can see it's been supporting the economic well-being of the area for decades. Network Rail could clean up their messy station entrance though.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
It's not clear whether they are considering changes to traffic management as potentially part of the brief.
If such things are proposed though, I expect to see opposition to it along the lines of it being pushed by the evil cyclist lobby and/or stealth gentrification. So, we'll likely see the arch units done up with new businesses (as that's going to happen anyway) and still be stuck with the congestion, traffic fumes etc. The worst of both worlds.
snowy_again
Slush
Ha, the truncated URL hides a different story.
editor
hiraethified
Nice idea but can't really see why it's at POP though. They'd reach a lot more people - of all backgrounds - if they took over one of the units along Atlantic Road. But maybe hosting it at trendy POP gives them more press coverage?
Crispy
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Atlantic Road is not a pleasant environment for walking and cycling IME. The pavements are narrow and uneven. The road is badly surfaced and is a slalom of unloading vans, illegall parked cars and pedestrians crossing between them.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
I agree.
editor
hiraethified
I find it pleasant. I often stop for chats although it could clearly use a bit of clean up (although that's all a bit late now seeing as they've kicked out most of the traders I used). I doubt if I'll want to hang around the shiny new anytown vision they're set to unleash. It'll be like Brindisa x10, no doubt.
Haven't cycled up it for a while, mind. No amount of shiny regeneration plans will stop illegally parked cars though. That's a different department/responsibility.
Angellic
Well-Known Member
It will if it includes pedestrianisation.
editor
hiraethified
Won't be so good for cycling then though, will it?
(Where will all the cars go, btw?)
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Let's face it, the arches are mostly shabby and run down, but that might be considered as being charming or it might be considered as being a bit shit, but there's not really any reason for it, they could have been better maintained and looked after over the years. They are in need of a spruce up, but that need shouldn't really involve displacing long existing businesses with new ones prepared to pay much more for the space.
The roads are shit, it's a bit of a nightmare for crossing, although I am not dead yet, so it's not something that some yellow lines and a couple of zebra crossings wouldn't solve. If the road needs repair, then they should just repair it.
Seems to me that it's all been a bit neglected and now that neglect is being manipulated to provide opportunity to kick people out of their units and make more dough renting them out at an increased rate.
The roads are shit, it's a bit of a nightmare for crossing, although I am not dead yet, so it's not something that some yellow lines and a couple of zebra crossings wouldn't solve. If the road needs repair, then they should just repair it.
Seems to me that it's all been a bit neglected and now that neglect is being manipulated to provide opportunity to kick people out of their units and make more dough renting them out at an increased rate.
editor
hiraethified
Yep.
Old fashioned community businesses out. Shiny on-trend cash-churning nu-businesses/chains/faux independents in.
Goodbye affordable A&C, Hello upmarket Brinidisa.
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
I do think the business owners have a role to play in the shabbiness. Letting shop fronts become tatty is not good. The area never needed to become as run down as it is. More effort on their part might have slowed down Network Rails bid to turf them out on the excuse of refurbing the space.
snowy_again
Slush
Or maybe they can't secure a short term lease / along Atlantic Road due to NR not wanting to face 'they kick us out, but they can run tasting sea water sessions' PR response, or the additional cost of overheads, security, fittings etc and it's easier to get a unit at Pop where that's all covered in one contract?
snowy_again
Slush
It's a TFL cycle route so could be made semi pedestrianised like the top end of Railton Road - where vehicle traffic is access / delivery only and it's in theory not a through road - except for emergency vehicles. However that might worsen the grocers and other shops ability to wheel a shopping trolley of goods to a car parked in the loading bays.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
If the road needs relaying, and you're going to install new zebra crossings, why not take the opportunity first to look into options for doing something else, which might make a deeper change for a similar amount of physical work, that could have a greater benefit per amount spent?
What you suggest is a sticking-plaster solution to the problem of that road being dominated by motor vehicles. Zebra crossings really just reinforce a perception that cars have priority, by defining limited zones where pedestrians have priority (and that's assuming that drivers pay proper attention to those crossings). It doesn't make things any friendlier to cyclists and the issue of narrow pavements remains.
Crispy
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Any large-scale scheme like this would also require modification to surrounding roads to allow traffic to reach CHL from Brixton Road. Not simple at all. I predict widened pavements, all "parking" removed, a relocated zebra crossing and loading restricted to a handful of dedicated bays.
editor
hiraethified
Well maybe, but I note one new antique-y unit seems to have temporarily opened up (and this thing is a temporary pop up). I don't think anyone would begrudge a charity appearing for a short while anyway and no one seemed to object to the Brixton Pound taking over the old deli.
Not sure why you're tacking 'security' on to that list, btw.
editor
hiraethified
As soon as Network Rail started to spread the uncertainty around, I doubt if many unit owners would be minded to spend money tarting their premises up. If only Lambeth had offered this money for tidying the place up before, eh?
Nanker Phelge
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
I understand that people wouldn't invest after finding out they were being moved out....but prior to that some of the shops were ropey looking...not all, but a good few.
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hiraethified
Maybe if they weren't being forcibly tapped for Brixton Bid taxes they'd have had a bit extra left left over for improvements.
