Pop and Rock Stars... and underage girls

[LiamO]

Jeffries asks 'At what point do we as a society go 'But they were good'... but like... what I'm trying to say is... "just how talented do you have to be to fuck a kid"?'


I posted the clip above on the David Bowie RIP thread. Unsurprisingly it got an instant reaction from those who worship Bowie's undoubted musical talent, ability, legacy or indeed genius.

I'm not gonna stink up the RIP thread with a bunfight about Bowie's sexual history and the wider question of pop/rock stars and underage girls - but the dicussion needs to be had.

It is common knowledge that David Bowie - just like Iggy Pop, Jimmy Page and many more contemporaries... and like Elvis, Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis et al before them... had sex with lots of underage girls back in his 70's heyday. Bill Wyman was still at it with 13 year-olds at the age of 50 FFS. It was very common back then. Came with the territory so to speak,

What was commonplace (and generally sniggered at) back then would nowadays get you the jail straight away, but only after you had been suitably, publicly, scorned.

Some celebs - because we love them for their artistic genius - get a bye-ball. Others, such as celebrity DJs and TV presenters, don't. Whether aa Artiste is perceived as a bit of a drug-feuled hornball or a 'dirty fuckin nonce' seems to be dependent on how cool or how influential you are

1. Some will people will argue that this is 'too soon' after his passing to be discussed. I would argue that the same courtesy would not be extended to others - such DJs and other, less artistically accomplished, celebs or indeed people who it is coll to not like.

2. Some people will cry 'where's your proof'? whilst ignoring the widely available anecdotal evidence from contemporaries. Many of these same people require no such level of proof to wade in and pontificate about those they don't like (Cliff anybody? Jim Davidson?)

3. Posters who ventured that 'things were different back then' have basically been called apologists for noncery on here. I wonder would any of those who wailed the loudest turn up on either of the Bowie RIP threads with a somewhat more nuanced view?

 

[Thora]

Things were different back then but giving booze and drugs to 13/14 year old virgins before having having sex with them and their mate is still pretty shocking to me I had no idea.

 

[Pickman's model]

of course not only rock stars as a number of djs appear to have done precisely the same and in some cases much more.

 

[Winot]

Great art has always existed side by side with unacceptable behaviour eg Eric Gill. You can celebrate one and simultaneously condemn the other.

 

[Thora]

In terms of it being "different back then" would your average adult man working in an office or shop get away with having 13 year old girlfriends?

 

[discokermit]

In terms of it being "different back then" would your average adult man working in an office or shop get away with having 13 year old girlfriends?

i doubt it.

 

[Pickman's model]

being as the age of consent at 16 was put in place in the nineteenth century by the 1970s you'd have thought men would have worked out that there was something even the law recognised as wrong about relationships with young girls. what seems to have been different back then was that rock stars (and djs) seem to have thought the morals everyone else was expected to abide by didn't apply to them, that they were special.

 

[LiamO]

Lot's of outrage on the RIP thread.

Can anyone be arsed checking the comments that some of those so offended may have made on previous threads about not popular/good celebs?

 

[8den]

Can people just ignore LiamOs blatant trolling...

 

[discokermit]

Lot's of outrage on the RIP thread.

this is how they get away with it. not just celebs but within families. turn a blind eye, it's so much easier than dealing with it. and if the victim or someone else raises the issue, call them the cunt.

 

[discokermit]

Can people just ignore LiamOs blatant trolling...

it's a legitimate and timely subject for debate. you are trying to shout him down rather than have that debate. history will show you for the cunt that you are.

 

[LiamO]

For posterity... from the RIP thread.

You've made your point. Repeatedly, despite the fact that people are grieving and you said ages ago that you were going to start a new thread. So do that (if you must) and shut the fuck up here please.

One more post from you in this thread and you're banned. What a nasty person you are.

I look forward to the day when yer man responds so quickly and decisively when some uncool/unpopular celeb or even a politician, who is widely reported to have had sex with lots of underage girls, pops their clogs and someone dares mention their sexual past.

 

[laptop]

In terms of it being "different back then" would your average adult man working in an office or shop get away with having 13 year old girlfriends?

Actually, I think there's a chance that he would have... So long as no-one had an interest in dobbing him in. A boy would have been entirely different, outside the aristocracy.

 

[LiamO]

Can people just ignore LiamOs blatant trolling...

Alternatively they could choose to ignore your hypocrisy.

 

[seventh bullet]

Can people just ignore LiamOs blatant trolling...

Ignore men fucking kids?

 

[Cloo]

I'm not aware of any stories about Bowie but I do still remember when I was a kid the Bill Wyman/Mandy Smith relationship and how the exact same papers these days that decry 'sick paedos' were basically taking a 'Wahey, good on you, you horny old dog!' attitude to his relationship with an underage girl.

 

[redsquirrel]

Can people just ignore LiamOs blatant trolling...

Hang on, I agree trying to start a barney on the RIP thread isn't on, but LiamO has started a new thread and his central point that Bowie's (and lots of others) behaviour was completely disgusting and shouldn't just be whitewashed out is fundamentally correct.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm not aware of any stories about Bowie but I do still remember when I was a kid the Bill Wyman/Mandy Smith relationship and how the exact same papers these days that decry 'sick paedos' were basically taking a 'Wahey, good on you, you horny old dog!' attitude to his relationship with an underage girl.

i think we've mentioned lori maddox and db several times in the past.

 

[discokermit]

For posterity... from the RIP thread.




I look forward to the day when yer man responds so quickly and decisively when some uncool/unpopular celeb or even a politician, who is widely reported to have had sex with lots of underage girls, pops their clogs and someone dares mention their sexual past.

to be fair, he was pretty quick in his defence of savile. so you can't say he's inconsistent.

 

[Pickman's model]

Can people just ignore LiamOs blatant trolling...

not the time or the place for this sort of thing

 

[Spymaster]

Can people just ignore LiamOs blatant trolling...

Why's it trolling? Seems like a perfectly valid point.

Many of these people are, or at least have been, nonces.

 

[Buddy Bradley]

Some celebs - because we love them for their artistic genius - get a bye-ball. Others, such as celebrity DJs and TV presenters, don't.

Apart from John Peel.

I remember going to a party (maybe Christmas, might have been New Year) when I was around 14-15, and several of my female classmates had boyfriends in the 18-20 age range.

 

[Glitter]

Lot's of outrage on the RIP thread.

Can anyone be arsed checking the comments that some of those so offended may have made on previous threads about not popular/good celebs?

Given that you're not allowed to post in that thread anymore I'll answer you here so I'm not goading you for a reaction.

You could have started this thread regardless of the RIP thread. It's an interesting enough subject and it'll generate plenty of controversy. Instead you waded into the RIP thread where people are grieving and emotional just to upset and anger them.

You could have done this without being a bellend about it.

FWIW there's several rock stars I 'd have shagged as an underage schoolgirl. As a happily married 37 year old mother of two I'd still shag them. I know the bigger picture is much more than that but on a personal level it wouldn't have bothered me one bit.

 

[Guineveretoo]

I was not aware of any stories about Bowie having sex with 13/14 year old girls in the 70s, despite being one of the 13/14 year old girls who met him at the time.

One of my girlfriends threw herself at him after a gig, trying to get a kiss, and bloodied his nose. So he decided he couldn't come back to Friars Aylesbury again because he had become a bit of a star, and there just wasn't any security.

I have honestly never heard that he was one of the known stars to be having underage sex. I certainly was aware at the time of several stars who known for it, but he was not one of them.

 

[Pickman's model]

let's hope nothing new comes out about db and underage girls to mar the fawning mourning elsewhere.

 

[LiamO]

Apart from John Peel.

I remember going to a party (maybe Christmas, might have been New Year) when I was around 14-15, and several of my female classmates had boyfriends in the 18-20 age range.

But John Peel was 'gooooood' and hugely influential ... so he gets a bye-ball... apparently.

 

[discokermit]

I was not aware of any stories about Bowie having sex with 13/14 year old girls in the 70s, despite being one of the 13/14 year old girls who met him at the time.

One of my girlfriends threw herself at him after a gig, trying to get a kiss, and bloodied his nose. So he decided he couldn't come back to Friars Aylesbury again.

I have honestly never heard that he was one of the known stars to be having underage sex. I certainly was aware at the time of several stars who known for it, but he was not one of them.

google. it's well known. lori maddox/mattix.

 

[Buddy Bradley]

I find the differences in the age of consent across countries interesting. Do you think if we were all Spanish (where it's 13, iirc) we would be quite so ERMAGHERD RAPE about it?

 

[Orang Utan]

Can people just ignore LiamOs blatant trolling...

He makes some very good points

 

[emanymton]

Wow, people's reaction on the other thread is extraordinary, and not just to Liam's posts. Way way over the top. It seems saying he was anything less than a God is cause for a savaging.