POLL: Should we have a Climate Change forum?

[platinumsage]

There was much support on the thread but it seems a poll is needed to progress the issue.

Should we have a forum titled "Climate Change" and located in the "Politics, protest and current affairs" section?

If you think it needs a different name or location, explain after you've voted Yes in the poll.

 

[LDC]

Sorry, I probably should have made a poll since I suggested the forum. Anyway, cheers, it's much needed. I guess lots of relevant threads already running can get moved there if it gets set up? editor is that how it works?

 

[andysays]

I vote yes, and I agree that it should just be called "climate change" and be part of the politics etc forum.

 

[LDC]

Happy to trawl through the site for a few hours and flag up threads to move there if that helps anyone.

 

[cupid_stunt]

No options on what it should be called?

 

[StoneRoad]

Happy with both title and location.

 

[Leafster]

As I said in the other thread I'm happy with it being called "Climate Change" and it's got to go somewhere so Politics, Protest and Current Affairs is as good a place as any.

My only caveat is that Climate Change is a very broad topic and extends way beyond just Politics, Protest and Current Affairs so perhaps there should be a sticky to confirm it covers thread topics which might equally be at home in Science, Environment, Transport, Suburban or elsewhere so long as the main emphasis of the thread is relates to Climate Change.

 

[LDC]

Makes no sense to me to make it more than 'Climate Change', none of the other forums have more than. We don't have 'Coronavirus: impacts, possible, solutions, cures, deaths, and discussion' for example.

 

[platinumsage]

Each forum seems to have a byline detailing its remit. For example under "Suburban" it says "cooking, baking, gardening, crafts and household stuff". It could say something similar for Climate Change.

The Politics, Protest and Current Affairs section covers "current affairs" so there's no reason a forum located there should exclusively cover political aspects. Threads on plenty of things in the news are moved there despite not being overtly political.

 

[LDC]

Never noticed them before!

 

[Leafster]

I think maybe I'm looking at this from a different perspective. There's currently a thread in transport on electric cars and another in Suburban on ground source heat pumps. Neither of these are what I would call "current affairs" but they are both topics around climate change mitigation. Do other posters not see these as valid topics for the proposed Climate Change forum?

 

[maomao]

I think maybe I'm looking at this from a different perspective. There's currently a thread in transport on electric cars and another in Suburban on ground source heat pumps. Neither of these are what I would call "current affairs" but they are both topics around climate change mitigation. Do other posters not see these as valid topics for the proposed Climate Change forum?

I think the whole point of having a climate change forum is that threads that might belong in other forums otherwise can be put together. Which heading the forum itself falls under is a bit of a red herring.

 

[Leafster]

I think the whole point of having a climate change forum is that threads that might belong in other forums otherwise can be put together. Which heading the forum itself falls under is a bit of a red herring.

I agree but putting it in P&P suggests a limitation of scope so wouldn't putting it in General widen perception of what could be included.

 

[LDC]

I think maybe I'm looking at this from a different perspective. There's currently a thread in transport on electric cars and another in Suburban on ground source heat pumps. Neither of these are what I would call "current affairs" but they are both topics around climate change mitigation. Do other posters not see these as valid topics for the proposed Climate Change forum?

Hmmm, they can be related to climate, but not solely or exclusively, and TBH I'd have zero interest in that kind of thing and maybe those very specific things are best left where they are I imagine the content is full of discussion about the geekery of them rather than climate change itself.

I want it in politics forum as I want to discuss the politics of climate change and impacts and solutions, not solar panels or electric cars. Ultimately if you want to discuss the role of electric scooters in some integrated low carbon transport system and the specifics of that then maybe transport is best for it, but maybe a thread in the Climate forum might work, but I'd be wary of it just being a million threads on eating less meat, cycle more, fly less nonsense tbh.

It works OK with covid, most threads on the pandemic are in there, but other topics do pop up in other forums. It won't be perfect, but it'll gather 90% of climate discussion in one place which I think will be useful.

 

[Leafster]

Hmmm, they can be related to climate, but not solely or exclusively, and TBH I'd have zero interest in that kind of thing and maybe those very specific things are best left where they are I imagine the content is full of discussion about the geekery of them rather than climate change itself.

I want it in politics forum as I want to discuss the politics of climate change and impacts and solutions, not solar panels or electric cars. Ultimately if you want to discuss the role of electric scooters in some integrated low carbon transport system and the specifics of that then maybe transport is best for it, but maybe a thread in the Climate forum might work, but I'd be wary of it just being a million threads on eating less meat, cycle more, fly less nonsense tbh.

It works OK with covid, most threads on the pandemic are in there, but other topics do pop up in other forums. It won't be perfect, but it'll gather 90% of climate discussion in one place which I think will be useful.

Ah, you see I'm more concerned with the impacts of climate change and potential solutions and less concerned about the politics "nonsense".

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Ah, you see I'm more concerned with the impacts of climate change and potential solutions and less concerned about the politics "nonsense".

Same here. It obviously has a political dimension, but also scientific, etc.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Maybe the main heading for that section could be changed to 'Politics, protest, current affairs, and climate change'?

 

[LDC]

Same here. It obviously has a political dimension, but also scientific, etc.

Science stuff is politics, but either way it fits under a climate change header same as covid. And all impacts and possible solutions are very political. It's not possible to discuss climate without being political, even if someone thinks they're not being.

Also no need to rename the section, current affairs covers it enough.

 

[Johnny Doe]

I think we need to wait until it's far too late for the forum to make a difference and then rely on individual posters to contribute in a way that won't touch the sides.*

*Any similarity with my response to 'Should we have a Brexit forum' is purely coincidental

 

[farmerbarleymow]

Science stuff is politics, but either way it fits under a climate change header same as covid. And all impacts and possible solutions are very political. It's not possible to discuss climate without being political, even if someone thinks they're not being.

Also no need to rename the section, current affairs covers it enough.

The problem is people tend to act like dickeads in the politics forums, so climate change would better sit somewhere else where people behave better like the science area.

 

[cupid_stunt]

The problem is people tend to act like dickeads in the politics forums, so climate change would better sit somewhere else where people behave better like the science area.

The covid forum is under the 'Politics, protest and current affairs' heading, and people haven't generally been dickheads in there

 

[LDC]

The problem is people tend to act like dickeads in the politics forums, so climate change would better sit somewhere else where people behave better like the science area.

I came here for that section and only ever really look in there, with occasional forays into a few other bits. I think it's fine in there! Not sure what that says about me though...

 

[lazythursday]

Ah, you see I'm more concerned with the impacts of climate change and potential solutions and less concerned about the politics "nonsense".

But which solutions are chosen, and how they are implemented are deeply political. I think while this is a cross cutting topic, on the whole it best fits under politics rather than Science. As the barriers to change are not scientific, they're political.

 

[Orang Utan]

no thanks but knock yourself out - won’t make much difference to those of us who simplify our view of the forums by viewing New Posts.

 

[Cid]

I came here for that section and only ever really look in there, with occasional forays into a few other bits. I think it's fine in there! Not sure what that says about me though...

It's more than a little er... exclusive... at times. Frequently. But as cupid_stunt says, the coronavirus forum seems to have gone fine.

 

[Cid]

Politics section is probably still the best fit... I mean I'm definitely more interested in the science side, but it doesn't really fit there, and coronavirus establishes the precedent for major international crises with a scientific side being in politics.

e2a: As I kind of just said, been a long day...

 

[andysays]

no thanks but knock yourself out - won’t make much difference to those of us who simplify our view of the forums by viewing New Posts.

I normally use New Posts to see what others have posted recently, but one of the useful things about having a dedicated Climate Change forum (or any other sub-forum) would be that posters with something particular to say can search through the various threads in that forum to find the existing thread which best suits their contribution, rather than just sticking it in the most current Climate Change thread, which might not be the most appropriate place.

And if you know there's a thread about a particular aspect of the subject, but you can't remember exactly what it was called, having them all together in one forum helps to track it down.

 

[Leafster]

But which solutions are chosen, and how they are implemented are deeply political. I think while this is a cross cutting topic, on the whole it best fits under politics rather than Science. As the barriers to change are not scientific, they're political.

I wasn't being entirely serious. My reply was phrased the way it was simply because LynnDoyleCooper was being so dismissive about any aspect of climate change other than the political one.

Some people are interested in the politics, some in the science, others in the practical solutions they can take on a personal level in the absence of any political will to change things at a higher level and others a combination.

Where the climate change forum is placed on Urban is less important than what gets discussed in it. As others have said, the coronavirus forum hasn't suffered by being stuck in P&P but that might be because of the number of posters who use "New Posts" to browse Urban.

 

[Johnny Doe]

Are there people who don't just use. 'New Posts'?

 

[LDC]

Are there people who don't just use. 'New Posts'?

Yeah I don't. Don't you just get fuck loads of nonsense about football and food* if you do?

*Other nonsense different people aren't interested in is available.