poetry competition?

[mrs quoad]

Another thing - there are an awful lot of ex users/alcos on the poetry scene, a lot still using, and a lot with traumatic lives. They write because it helps to get all the chaos out. And it is the absolute making of a lot of people.

It's (often) the writing that matters, not the reception, ay.

 

[sojourner]

It's (often) the writing that matters, not the reception, ay.

Nice to marry them though quoady, although yes, initially it's the writing that really matters. However, you do tend to find that if you write from the heart, then other people do identify with it, and if you get off on it, you automatically want to start improving on your stuff.

There's a guy who's just started doing the rounds round here and his first poems were all about his childhood sexual abuse, his smack habit, and doing time. He had quite a few people, me included, in tears when he performed, and you can see him going from strength to strength with each performance. He learns every single line meticulously, never takes his paper up with him, never stumbles. It's a joy to see, although I hope he does eventually move beyond the survivor poetry onto other stuff.

 

[METH LAB]

ive pm'd soj but i still dont see her putting any poems up. *shrug*

NOT IN THE MOOD
........................

i aint really in the mood for it
but since i said to myself i would do it

this is the 'off the top of my head' poem for the day
this aint something ive practised its just comming out
we got a fuckin studant festival kicking off tonight and the police are out in force
i hate this bloody thing
so im glad that its raining
and hope the winds hit up to maximum gail force

once again i tell you i have no clue what i am doing but i do it anyway and it kinda works
the stuff i take my time over is a shed load better but i wont put them on due to paranoid querks

i actually think im better now
then i was on page one
but i guess i might be imagining things aswell

you aint a mutha fuckin poet
be damed if i dont stand up to a "i know it"
be god damed if i have to rely on saying god damed all the time
in order to make the last god damn line rhyme

ah god dammit i just did it again so now im gonna have a fuckin god damn cry
..........................................

that took less than 3 mins(and maybe another 2 and a half to sort the edit out)

peace

 

[METH LAB]

Another thing - there are an awful lot of ex users/alcos on the poetry scene, a lot still using, and a lot with traumatic lives. They write because it helps to get all the chaos out. And it is the absolute making of a lot of people.

im noticing its a good outlet for anger and pain and misery which is why they all so fuckin negative. just coz a poem is aggressive dont mean its not any good though. art desant have to be all happy and fairys

 

[METH LAB]

You don't have to be able to write, to know that you like or don't like something you read.

For me, it is all too aggressive, it might be better when performed.

If you put something on a forum like this, you can't then set who can and who can't criticise.

I can't sing, but I can hear singing and know if its ok or if its out of tune.

But I think its great that you enjoy writing it.

they are aggressive coz like i was just telling soj in one post up im blowing off alot of steam with these..just coz they aggresive dont mean they crap.

and yea i reckon if you cant do it your less able to comment...everyone got an opinion they have that right but if they slate me for something they cant even do its not gonna bother me as much as being slated by someone who actually at least has a go.

i started this thread hoping people would join in..small amount have but most the time unless i bump it it just fizzles out to the back, so maybe they are all complete tosh but just coz you dont like aggresive rhyming dont mean it aint poetry. My style is negative and aggresive i do try to put a positive spin in it, bit of humer maybe but it dont seem to be working lol.

i dunno why soj wont put up one of hers whats the fuckin problem? you can claim to have 8 published...show me.

peace

 

[sojourner]

Err meth - I go home at 5 and don't usually go online at night so hold your fucking horses eh? Also, I tend to enter most of mine into competitions and send off to publishers, and there are strict rules about them being published anywhere else (even on here), so I could get myself disqualified if a judge sees it elsewhere. And then do myself out of fucking potential prize money!

I haven't looked at your pm yet, I will do shortly, but I wouldn't for one second claim that art is about fucking fairies you goon. Right, I'll put these up now but will take them down again later, for the reasons mentioned above.

....................

Took em down and pm'd

 

[petee]

Autumn is icummin in
Lhude sing football!
Collins calls and fumbles fall
And see the Giants stall!
Sing: football!

Kickoff starteth after noon
And drinking after two
Halftime cometh, stomach pumpeth
Merrie sing football!

Football, football, we'll sing football
Ne swike uns naver nu.
Sing football, all, sing football!
Sing football, football, all!

 

[METH LAB]

Err meth - I go home at 5 and don't usually go online at night so hold your fucking horses eh? Also, I tend to enter most of mine into competitions and send off to publishers, and there are strict rules about them being published anywhere else (even on here), so I could get myself disqualified if a judge sees it elsewhere. And then do myself out of fucking potential prize money!

I haven't looked at your pm yet, I will do shortly, but I wouldn't for one second claim that art is about fucking fairies you goon. Right, I'll put these up now but will take them down again later, for the reasons mentioned above.

....................

Took em down and pm'd

thats fine soj, but why not join in and put just one new one up on here? not related to any of ya published stuff?

Is there any need to call me a goon?

anyways, your gonna help me get some stuff published coz you love me relly and wanna help me out coz i know your a diamond inside.

or you might just tell me to fuck right off lol

peace to the peacefull

 

[METH LAB]

well im still waiting via pm for soj's critisisem but it dont seem to be 'appnin.

i gave her 5 to choose from one of 'em aint even that long but apparantly im pissing her off now coz im wondering were me critisisem is. Anyway this is a little freestylee for today.

SUICIDE

I just looked at a suicide site
I looked at it coz them thoughts are rife
I got no interest in this bull shit life
And i cant afford my addictions so im arguing with the wife

the last 7 times i tried just wuldant do
although i was told in no un-certain terms that it should have,
and could have,
killed at least 5 people, people just like you.

i cant be fucked and wont be fucked if anybody likes this shit or not
i was kinda interested but to be honest its all bollox i just type 'em aint no effort its not all i got
its as easy as pulling a trigger, i just start and dont fuckin stop
so im pulling that damn trigger again and having another shot
i'll write this bomb ass poem then go search suicide sites coz i just aint got
the fuckin energy or want to carry on this fuckin fasard(sp) of bull shit and rot

i usually ask the missis for spelling errors but at the moment speaking we aint not
the reason we aint speaking is coz imma fuckin retarded drug addicted alcoholic that canot stop

or when i have tried in the past failed every fuckin time
if i dont get to get wrecked every day
then I aint got not need to stay
I hate this fuckin place is all i gotta say
I cannot take the stress of life and its all bull shit and pain
So i got them thoughts of suicide runing round my brain... again.

and how im so lucky..lucky? waking up from a suicide attempt aint lucky its the complete opposoite of what the fuckin plan was
but they all like 'your so damn lucky' no im not im still fuckin alive!,
if i wanted to be alive, why the fuck would i have attempted suicide!!!!
.....................................................................................................................

i liked that..took 5mins.

and its probably aload of pap but i dont see much else goin on

 

[METH LAB]

tbh i have got a short noval on memory stick but im not feeling very well. im feeling like i wanna die all the time so i think ide rather just sit back and bomb some urbans, so take this as a full blown attack im launching at 'em, just to clear the static out my alcoholic phantom


I DONT FEEL VERY WELL.
.................................

i get out of bed at 4am
nervous withdrawen, now what then?
2 san migeul and 2 carlsberg export
and as i neck them my stomache hurts like deaths door

im pissed up now and its 6am
ive eaten every benzo i can find but the missis hid them
im gonna go ballastic coz im skint and just been ripped
by some punk wanker from topix who i plan to go visit

only thing is i aint got a car, a bike and i aint fuckin walking
cant afford a train ride, free lift? now we fuckin talking!
only there aint no free lift and i aint fuckin walkin
so i'll just sit here and slowly kill myself with all this bollox that im talkin

its fuckin completaly obvious to me
that i can rhyme so fuckin easy

i cant hardly see the fuckin screen
yet they comming out deadly, and pretty damn clean

maybe i could tick up some speed to get me out this fog
then you'll see a poem that would break the worded post like god!
"im sorry there are too many words this post is too long"
or whatever it fuckin says when you been bangin on too long

so much for bombing urbans imma go bomb myself
its been a while since ive felt this bad i just wanna check out
.........................................................................

thats fuckin magic that is..absolute gold. or im delusional as hell.(possible)

 

[METH LAB]

ATTACK STRIKE THUNDER BLACK VENGANCE ARRISE FROM THY HOLLO CELL


soj ya boj
call it a call out
call it a bomb
call it a full blown attack at ya coz im gone!

gone baby gone
my heads got none left
ive lost my last breath
so im slamming you,
just to get some fuckin back from you.
oh i forgot...you cant can you?

call it whatever the fuck you want
would you like to change my style of font?
seems the only way to get anybodys attention round here
is to rip 'em to pieces with verbal diarriea(sp)

@everyone this could be fun
but i have allready won

im pissed and sedated
but when i hit these keys im elated!

HIT ME BACK!

(and try to remember its all art, b4 you gt ya knickers in a twist i know you like that)

 

[sojourner]

well im still waiting via pm for soj's critisisem but it dont seem to be 'appnin.

i gave her 5 to choose from one of 'em aint even that long but apparantly im pissing her off now coz im wondering were me critisisem is.

so im slamming you,
just to get some fuckin back from you.
oh i forgot...you cant can you?

You know what? I spent all yesterday morning critiquing one of those poems for you. I put a lot of time, effort, and concentration into it, as a FAVOUR.

After having told you I was busy, and had other stuff to do, but did give you an idea of when they would be done, this is what I see on the public thread. You, behaving like a spoilt little cunt.

After you mithering the living FUCK out of me to do it, I've heard absolutely nothing back from you since yesterday lunchtime when I sent it to you. Not even one word of thanks, nothing.

Stuff it up your arse methlab, you are one ungrateful fuck.

 

[METH LAB]

You know what? I spent all yesterday morning critiquing one of those poems for you. I put a lot of time, effort, and concentration into it, as a FAVOUR.

After having told you I was busy, and had other stuff to do, but did give you an idea of when they would be done, this is what I see on the public thread. You, behaving like a spoilt little cunt.

After you mithering the living FUCK out of me to do it, I've heard absolutely nothing back from you since yesterday lunchtime when I sent it to you. Not even one word of thanks, nothing.

Stuff it up your arse methlab, you are one ungrateful fuck.

i wernt online yesterday and you were the one that says you dont like me stuff..well i dont really think much of yours either and you wont even bother to put one on the thread anyway t try and 'compete' instead youve just taking it as a personal insult.

poetry battling is the same as rap battling..an artistic sport... the idea is to insult in a mannor that rhymes and works.

but you obviously dont seem to know that.

if you didnt wanna critisise you shouldant have bloody said you could.

 

[METH LAB]

I could give you a critique methlab but you won't like it one bit.

Actually - why don't you see if there are any open mic nights in your area? You could go and trial it out there.

thats what you said.... instead of just throwing random insults why not try doing it in a poetic style? I insulted you..with rhymes, why not insult me back with a poem instead of cod shite?

ive read some of your stuff and i could give you a critique and you wouldant like it one bit either.

i reckon the best way is for you to respond in a poetic mannor, slaughter me via peotry.. you might win, you might not.. it might be stale mate.

the usual gig is three judges on a live set but im no good on the mic that i'll admit but personally i dont think you could attack me poeticaly or you would have done it by now..i guess you can proove me wrong on that but i cant see it 'appnin but if you do then fair play! i aint a sore looser if i lose thats fine..but you dont even bother to try.

 

[mrs quoad]

you wont even bother to put one on the thread anyway

She did.

She posted several.

I thought they were outstanding, fwiw. Likewise, the online / youtube performance of one of them (which I mischievously googled).

I wouldn't post on here, even were I currently inclined to write poetry.

I powerfully dislike the idea of 'competition.' I powerfully dislike the fact that there's no way of posting on this thread without you either insisting that people prove they can do 'better' (or else their opinion is worthless); and a really strong feeling that it's - basically - a pissing contest.

Which doesn't sit right with me, at all, wrt poetry. And its function. And its role in being expressive, and heard; and that being enough, instead of it being a 'competition' over who's best, and who's shit. Which... just... feels completely wrong. Or massively uncomfortable. IMO.

Like Soj said,

First though, I don't believe in negative crit, just constructive. The very fact that you have used the word 'negative' is an indicator of your potential reaction tbh. If you'd like an honest constructive crit of any of your work, pm it to me and I'll do one for you.

And fair play for that.

I think you know that you find it hard to... balance... this kinda thing, wrt attention, criticism, and praise.

And, tbh, I think that's why this - for me - feels like you're after a bit of a pissing competition. Or, at least, if it's a competition, you definitely want to win.

As Soj continued,

Open mic nights are exactly all about getting more practise. When I did my first one I trembled and shook and barely got through the first poem. But all open micers KNOW that that is how it feels, and that everyone shits themselves when they first get up, so the atmosphere in those places is incredibly supportive and friendly. I suggested open mic because the first thing that springs to mind about your stuff is that it is very much more stage than page.

IMO that sounds like a really outstanding idea, Meth.

More stage than page; a good place to receive genuine, supportive, friendly critiques; and a good way to develop.

People who can't hear criticism, or who can't take it on board - from everybody and anybody regardless of whether or not they're 'better' than you - ain't gonna improve. Full stop.

If you're after 'negative' criticism, that's what you'll always hear; that isn't what it always is.

 

[METH LAB]

they dont have to be better they just have to try. she puts 'em up and takes them right down again. i thought they were average but b4 i had time to compete she took 'em down..something to do with publishing and prize money.

a competition is a competition mrs.Q .. you dont have to like it, you cetianly aint tried doing any, i'll take critisisem(sp) from anybody that tries a stab at what this thread is about..its called "poetry competition?" thats the name of the thread.

if competition dont sit right with you i think youde find yaself quite alone..people all over the wrld love competing.

and i never said they had to be better i just said they had to have a go.. i aint gonna take critisisem from people who cant even do one fuckin paragraph, everyones a fuckin critic but most of 'em cant do fuck all else apart from be a critic and to those people no i dont really pay much attention to.

feels like you're after a bit of a pissing competition. Or, at least, if it's a competition, you definitely want to win

Its actually a very popular artistic kinda sport, and of course people want to win the competition otherwise why compete? so far all ive had is people not writing any poems/verses/songs/anything at all you just slate me for askin for some competition.
.
so either write some lines or shut the fuck up

 

[mrs quoad]

Well, then.

Enjoy, ay, Meth.

 

[tar1984]

thats what you said.... instead of just throwing random insults why not try doing it in a poetic style? I insulted you..with rhymes, why not insult me back with a poem instead of cod shite?

Why did you need to insult her at all? Serious question. Did soj give you the impression she was open to being insulted... that insulting each other in rhyme was a game she wanted to play?

It sounds as if she is trying to do you a favour by critiquing your writing (and critiquing isn't the same as critisising) and you are responding by lashing out at her. You can't just go around insulting people and then justify it by saying they are free to insult you back in the same way. Most people don't want to be insulted in the first place.

 

[METH LAB]

it was only her i insulted

she claims t be a poet but wont even put one on the thread..only takes 5mins or so(for me) its a sport tar, a fuckin sport.

 

[METH LAB]

Why did you need to insult her at all? Serious question. Did soj give you the impression she was open to being insulted... that insulting each other in rhyme was a game she wanted to play?

It sounds as if she is trying to do you a favour by critiquing your writing (and critiquing isn't the same as critisising) and you are responding by lashing out at her. You can't just go around insulting people and then justify it by saying they are free to insult you back in the same way. Most people don't want to be insulted in the first place.

i insulted her coz she claims to be able to write... so i figured she wuld take it as a challange to hit me back..thats why i ended the fuckin poem with the words HIT ME BACK

jesus u lot get sensative

 

[tar1984]

It just seemed like she was trying to help you out, but didn't sign up to an insult contest.. so your insults maybe felt like an attack.

Soj doesn't need me to argue her corner tbf that's just how it looked reading down. Y'know, she is putting a bit of effort into helping you and comes online to what feels like an attack instead. If you saw it as sport then cool, but the other person has to consent to take part.

I'd try to join you in a bit of lyrical contest but I can't do poetry for shit. It must be one of the hardest artforms. I just keep thinking of awful metaphors about trees and shit.

Trees
towering; green leaves
bark
but not like a dog
yeah...
trees

 

[PlaidDragon]

I wrote this after watching that Terry Prattchet right to die documentary. It's not great, I think I was still crying when I wrote it, but still.


There’s always a solution
The cure’s a million miles away
Life is yours if you want it
And no-one else’s to throw away
She loves you, that’s undoubted
Her devotion is absolute
The laws, the rules are flouted
So she can see it through
Never let anyone tell you your own mind
Even if it’s telling you to go
This isn’t a wristwatch, a clock
It’s the inevitable
You hold her so tight
Time to make it right
Is it right to suffer
Or wrong to hurt her
Surrender to the black cloud
Your time is now
Fear always made you glow
It won’t hurt, you won’t even know
Never let anyone tell you your own mind
Even if it’s telling you to go
This isn’t a wristwatch, a clock
It’s the inevitable
Tick, Tick, Tick,
We’ll always love you
Tock, Tock, Tock,
We’ll never forget you.

 

[METH LAB]

It just seemed like she was trying to help you out, but didn't sign up to an insult contest.. so your insults maybe felt like an attack.

Soj doesn't need me to argue her corner tbf that's just how it looked reading down. Y'know, she is putting a bit of effort into helping you and comes online to what feels like an attack instead. If you saw it as sport then cool, but the other person has to consent to take part.

I'd try to join you in a bit of lyrical contest but I can't do poetry for shit. It must be one of the hardest artforms. I just keep thinking of awful metaphors about trees and shit.

Trees
towering; green leaves
bark
but not like a dog
yeah...
trees

E for effort lol

 

[METH LAB]

I wrote this after watching that Terry Prattchet right to die documentary. It's not great, I think I was still crying when I wrote it, but still.


There’s always a solution
The cure’s a million miles away
Life is yours if you want it
And no-one else’s to throw away
She loves you, that’s undoubted
Her devotion is absolute
The laws, the rules are flouted
So she can see it through
Never let anyone tell you your own mind
Even if it’s telling you to go
This isn’t a wristwatch, a clock
It’s the inevitable
You hold her so tight
Time to make it right
Is it right to suffer
Or wrong to hurt her
Surrender to the black cloud
Your time is now
Fear always made you glow
It won’t hurt, you won’t even know
Never let anyone tell you your own mind
Even if it’s telling you to go
This isn’t a wristwatch, a clock
It’s the inevitable
Tick, Tick, Tick,
We’ll always love you
Tock, Tock, Tock,
We’ll never forget you.

this is pure quality

 

[PlaidDragon]

this is pure quality

Cheers mate, I enjoy yours too, I've always liked stream of consciousness stuff!

 

[sojourner]

Meth - I explained to you no less than 5 times about the reason why I took them down - and I also pm'd them to you so that you did have them.

You still haven't even bothered to say thank you for all the work I put in doing that critique for you. All I've had is insults.

I'm having nowt more to do with this.

 

[sojourner]

thats what you said.... instead of just throwing random insults why not try doing it in a poetic style? I insulted you..with rhymes, why not insult me back with a poem instead of cod shite?

But - one last thing.

Let's also share the information that I apologised for that remark, and said that I was not being fair and that I was basing it on previous knowledge of how you can take things sometimes, and how it can feel quite difficult to take a critique at first (I know, I found it hard myself at first). Feel free to post up the massive pm containing the critique, btw, as well as the writing and editing guides I sent to you.

 

[METH LAB]

why not hit me back in rhyme soj?

 

[METH LAB]

i might get going now
since there alot of cow smell
there is another word for it
goes by the name of fuckin bull shit


i guess what im tryin to get at
or dont quite understand
is why you cant even insult me
in a poets way of stance

nothing to do coz im bored
but if the pen is more mighty than the sword
and a hangover no fun in the sun
i dunno what im rattling on about
but i guess the keyboard is more mighty than a gun?
no more from me today im done
...................................................................
i apprecaite you took the time soj, but out of all 5 you took probably one of the longer but not so good ones..maybe you did that since you figured it would help, appreciated. I never meant for this to turn out like this, i never meant to insult you like you think im insulting you, but if your a poet..why cant you rip me to bits as a poet would?

your happy to tell me to fuck off etc etc..fine, but make it rhyme?

its fun soj rip me to bits poetically and i'll applaud you, as i would anyone.

but just sitting about and saying "fuck off you insulting bastard i aint gonna speak to you no more"

why dont you proove your skills with a poetic attack on me? i wuldant mind, anyone, wouldant give a fuck..rip me to bits.

but nobody does and your supposed to be good at it, you cant even hit me with 3 paragraphs?

i really dont get that.

????

 

[sojourner]

why not hit me back in rhyme soj?

1. I don't write rhyming poetry - I already told you that. I mostly write free verse and haikus. I have explained all of this to you. If you have no short term memory there's a handy reminder in your pms - it's all written down in there for you.

2. I have zero interest in the type of 'poetry' that you are wanting me to join in with. It's closer to rapping than poetry. I have even less interest in 'hitting you back' with 'rhyme'. I never agreed to do that, I only ever put forward the idea of critiquing your work.

i apprecaite you took the time soj, but out of all 5 you took probably one of the longer but not so good ones..maybe you did that since you figured it would help, appreciated.

Still no actual 'thank you' then.

Okay, after I'd SPECIFICALLY requested that you only send me two, because it takes a lot of time and effort to do properly, you sent me FIVE.

I requested again that you pick two, because I just did not have time to do five, and I had already told you it took a lot of time and effort. I wanted you to send me the ones you wanted me to critique, not the other way around. You then very rudely insulted my own writing and were incredibly arrogant, ignorant and pushy, demanding basically that I drop everything and attend to YOU.

So, after telling you how unhappy I was about that, I decided to continue, after all, I had promised to do this for you. So you said 'pick two then', so I chose one at random, but apparently this is wrong for you too. I was going to pick another one at random and hoped to have it finished by today but your behaviour towards me has killed that idea stone dead.

I never meant for this to turn out like this, i never meant to insult you like you think im insulting you, but if your a poet..why cant you rip me to bits as a poet would?

Where have you got this idea that poets regularly insult each other for fun from? They don't. Rappers might, but that's not the same discipline/medium at all.

your happy to tell me to fuck off etc etc..fine, but make it rhyme?

its fun soj rip me to bits poetically and i'll applaud you, as i would anyone.

As I've told you about ooo 5 fucking times now, I tend not to write rhyming poetry.

You'll APPLAUD me? What planet do you live on, really? You think I want YOUR fucking validation?

Fuck off.