P&O Ferries sacks workers and docks ships

[sojourner]

Absolute shit stains.

 

[tim]

It will be interesting to see how many of those 80 staff are covered by UK employment law and what their employment contracts say. Does it even apply in this case?

Seafarer working and living rights

Lots of pathetic right wing frothing going on about 'foreign workers' being brought in to replace UK workers online....

And alot of mad conspiracy theories about it somehow being connected to Russia.

This puts out vital supply routes at risk and so counts as an act of war by the UAE. We should declare their airspace a no flight zone and confiscate the British assets of the various royal families and of course nationalise P & O immediately.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Nationalise. Seriously

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Fucking scum.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Just caught a bit of the commons debate, on Sky, rightly they are being condemned from both sides of the house.

Total PR disaster.

 

[BigTom]

I would have definitely thought UK/EU/French/Irish/whatever laws would have some relevance especially EU ones, it could well be that P&O are chancing their arm and are planning to argue that whatever laws are most convenient to them are the ones that apply. I have a feeling this will end up (yet again) being tested in court. What's with this handcuff-trained security guard shit though? I though only Plod could actually arrest someone.

Anyone can detain someone they believe has committed a crime for the purposes of holding them until police come, and use reasonable force to do so. This is a citizen's arrest.

The workers will likely be commiting aggravated trespass if they refuse to leave the ships.

Whether handcuffing anyone would be considered reasonable force idk but i expect the threat of it is part of the point.

 

[teqniq]

Scum.

 

[killer b]

Just caught a bit of the commons debate, on Sky, rightly they are being condemned from both sides of the house.

Total PR disaster.

what are they going to do about it though?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

what are they going to do about it though?

Keelhaul the managers.

 

[emanymton]

what are they going to do about it though?

Tut a bit most likely.

 

[weepiper]

Cunts

 

[nogojones]

I would have definitely thought UK/EU/French/Irish/whatever laws would have some relevance especially EU ones, it could well be that P&O are chancing their arm and are planning to argue that whatever laws are most convenient to them are the ones that apply. I have a feeling this will end up (yet again) being tested in court. What's with this handcuff-trained security guard shit though? I though only Plod could actually arrest someone.

Maybe P&O have gone all FOTL and are using maritime law?

 

[killer b]

Keelhaul the managers.

they won't do though.

 

[nogojones]

what are they going to do about it though?

You know the answer.

 

[killer b]

You know the answer.

sure, we all do - so why does it matter that some MPs - from both sides of the house no less! have been a bit cross about it in the commons. It's meaningless. might as well report what the guys sat round the bar in your local think about it all. They probably have a better take on it tbh

 

[Tooter]

DP control 10% of worldwide shipping. Absolutely huge company with the power to really lean on the Government. It's mad how some of these companies now are that big and powerful that they think nothing of committing such an act. Meanwhile the toothless government can't even run a rail network.

It doesn't bode well at all. They should be fucked off with their cheap agency labour replacements and told their ships are not welcome in any port.

The UK sourced £14ph security scabs should also be fucked off and harangued back to the rocks they crawled from.

 

[cupid_stunt]

sure, we all do - so why does it matter that some MPs - from both sides of the house no less! have been a bit cross about it in the commons. It's meaningless. might as well report what the guys sat round the bar in your local think about it all. They probably have a better take on it tbh

Because it's getting media attention, and is the stuff that makes up bad headlines for P&O, hence my comment that it's a total PR disaster, and therefore could be damaging to the business.

Funny enough people talking about it down the local will not get the same attention.

 

[hitmouse]

Big round-up here:

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eta: here's the video of the Zoom sacking, apparently:

 

[dessiato]

I seldom use them these days but had been thinking I would this year. Not now. Its not much of a protest, but it's all I can do at the moment.

 

[killer b]

Because it's getting media attention, and is the stuff that makes up bad headlines for P&O, hence my comment that it's a total PR disaster, and therefore could be damaging to the business.

Funny enough people talking about it down the local will not get the same attention.

I'm guessing most of P&O's business comes from companies who couldn't give a fuck about their outrageous treatment of their employees, or who would like to be doing the same themselves. They also run a significant proportion of the UK's essential sea freight infrastructure, it's not like there's loads of other ferry companies with masses of spare capacity sitting idly by that people can go to instead is it?

MPs being cross in parliament is just noise unless it makes the government act. Is it going to?

 

[hitmouse]

Demos in Dover, Liverport and Hull tomorrow:

Urgent demonstrations on 18th March against mass sackings on P&O

www.rmt.org.uk

 

[Smokeandsteam]

P&O Ferries furloughed 1400 of its staff during the pandemic, costing the taxpayer over £10m.

The government should nationalise the company immediately without compensation to the owners (who paid out £250m in shareholder dividends last year). They won’t of course, and so the RMT will hopefully be able to pursue the company through the Employment Tribunal system…

 

[weepiper]

 

[kenny g]

Was trying to book a ferry with them last week for the summer hols and the portal on all browsers and computers I used wouldn't let me book due to bizarre glitches. Customer services didn't respond to emails. Ended up going with dfds. Seems now like a lucky escape.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I'm guessing most of P&O's business comes from companies who couldn't give a fuck about their outrageous treatment of their employees, or who would like to be doing the same themselves. They also run a significant proportion of the UK's essential sea freight infrastructure, it's not like there's loads of other ferry companies with masses of spare capacity sitting idly by that people can go to instead is it?

MPs being cross in parliament is just noise unless it makes the government act. Is it going to?

The fact that P&O [aka DP World] operate a couple of container terminals in the UK is irrelevant to the P&O Ferries business, which relies on private customers for a chuck of their income, if some those customers decide to vote with their feet, that will further damage the business.

 

[teuchter]

Did customers vote with their feet when Irish Ferries did something similar a little while back?

 

[MickiQ]

The fact that P&O [aka DP World] operate a couple of container terminals in the UK is irrelevant to the P&O Ferries business, which relies on private customers for a chuck of their income, if some those customers decide to vote with their feet, that will further damage the business.

It won't, a very few might but most people will forget it in a few weeks
There is not enough competition on Ferries for a major corporation to be boycotted for very long.
Have they fired the entire crew of each ship does anyone know?
Clearly people like cabin stewards and bar staff can be fairly easily replaced by imported labour but what about engineering and bridge crews? Are there enough spare captains and chief engineers sat about to be able to hire from agencies.

 

[StoneRoad]

Did customers vote with their feet when Irish Ferries did something similar a little while back?

If there's an alternative ...

Interestingly, Isle of Man Steam Packet - them what runs to ferry to Douglas - got "nationalised" / bought out by the Manx government in 2018 ...

 

[A380]

Anyone can detain someone they believe has committed a crime for the purposes of holding them until police come, and use reasonable force to do so. This is a citizen's arrest.

The workers will likely be commiting aggravated trespass if they refuse to leave the ships.

Whether handcuffing anyone would be considered reasonable force idk but i expect the threat of it is part of the point.

Hows it aggravated? Unless they are causing damage or disrupting lawful activity and it sounds like P@O announced they weren't running the ferries today anyway so hard to make that stick. Trespass otherwise is civil (thats kind of the pint of the current C&P bill). There may be all sorts of weird Victorian offences relating to ships, a bit like all the odd Railway ones. I can see Kent and Humberside (and Welsh forces if they are affected?) senior plod telling any private security company to do one if they start 'detaining' people in these circumstances.

Besides, anyone who doesn't have crown servant / office holder cover (plod, immigration, screws etc) who starts using handcuffs on people is asking for trouble, in a kind of having to sell your car if not your house kind of way, if it all goes pear shaped - and I'd be really surprised if any insurance company would write a policy for a security guard using any kind of cuffs, especially rigid ones. There is loads of potential for permanently injuring or even killing people pretty quickly if you make even quite small errors.

 

[marty21]

Cunts

This ^^

Boris needs to nationalise the fuck out of P&O , they are a major player in UK ferries , loads of islands around the UK depend on them, there aren't many other Ferry operators (Stenna?) . Surely British Ferry Services would please the Brexit lot ? Saving British jobs & that.