Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
Yep dead men tell no tales
Osama bin Laden killed by US forces in Pakistan
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hiraethified
He might have had one of those 9/11 holographic missiles under his arm though.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
Interesting article here about the photo of Obama and co watching the assault on Bin Laden. He notes something I hadn't really noticed. Look where the pres is sitting
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/05/a-revealing-photo/238284/
Yes, but Obama is clearly the focal point of that picture. In addition to his recognisable face, he has the grim expression of a fearless war leader.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Jesus, and you say Jazz is obsessed.
Ted Striker
Foot's on the other hand
That's how I see it. They assume he's going to be armed (with his trusty klachnikov at the least), so aside from the flagpole scenario detail above, there was no chance he was getting out alive.
I don't think it was a Home Alone style "I'm gonna give you to the count of ten to get your ugly, dirty kietschter off my property" before unleashing a hail of bullets screaming "This one's for Chandler" (which I think a lot of people want to believe).
likesfish
You can't park here sir
bin ladens trial would have been a massive media circus so kill him thats what soldiers do bad guy kill him.
the idea that its some sort of game and you can throw your hands up and surrender and be treated to tea and biccies is laughable.
the fact anyone in the compound lived is proof the seals used precise firepower.
the russians would probably have killed every one and put bin ladens head on a stick
the idea that its some sort of game and you can throw your hands up and surrender and be treated to tea and biccies is laughable.
the fact anyone in the compound lived is proof the seals used precise firepower.
the russians would probably have killed every one and put bin ladens head on a stick
Its all a dirty old game of cowboys Thankyou and good night.
Ironically the operation was code-named Geronimo.
the russians would probably have killed every one and put bin ladens head on a stick
Absolutely. Despite the smiley veneer we're still in the Dark Ages really.
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
Yes. Couldn't give a toss, he's brown bread, I don't care how it came about, just glad it did.
Where have I suggested that? The only bit I totally believe is that he's dead, I don't need to see a photo, which could be faked, to confirm that.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Quite, take away the technology and the advances in medicine and we're still where we were, psychologically and socially, a thousand years ago. If this is modernity, then I'm the angel Gabriel.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I was too tired to deal with this last night:
She probably is right. The US has practically admitted as much, "he was unarmed when he was shot". Now whether he was shot while offering some token unarmed "resistance", or knelt-down in a courtyard and popped in the back of the head Russian style, is neither here nor there. Let's assume that the latter, (more distasteful?) scenario is the reality. The Americans are not going to confirm that, though they may not care that people think it.
The assassination of Bin Laden is far preferable to the west than his capture, and this notion that we should have stuck him on trial is pure nonsense. Put him on trial, then kill him? There is absolutely zero upside for the west in putting him on trial and a hell of a lot of downside. So they've kept it simple.
I predict that by this time next week most media won't even be leading with Osama Bin Laden, and in 12 months it'll be Osama Bin Who? Given due process he wouldn't be off the front pages for years.
Bin Laden was an evil pig whose assassination is a huge victory to the west, albeit primarily symbolic. Due process does nobody any favours in his case so they killed him. It's an abject lesson in realpolitik, simple as that, and in this case, quite correct, imo.
Given the couple of hundred fabulously informed and beautifully analysed posts you've made over the last few months, I find your position on this thread strange, Dylans.
You've dropped the ball here. You may not agree with his execution but you must see why he was executed, so demanding proof that he wasn't, is totally sterile.
She probably is right. The US has practically admitted as much, "he was unarmed when he was shot". Now whether he was shot while offering some token unarmed "resistance", or knelt-down in a courtyard and popped in the back of the head Russian style, is neither here nor there. Let's assume that the latter, (more distasteful?) scenario is the reality. The Americans are not going to confirm that, though they may not care that people think it.
The assassination of Bin Laden is far preferable to the west than his capture, and this notion that we should have stuck him on trial is pure nonsense. Put him on trial, then kill him? There is absolutely zero upside for the west in putting him on trial and a hell of a lot of downside. So they've kept it simple.
I predict that by this time next week most media won't even be leading with Osama Bin Laden, and in 12 months it'll be Osama Bin Who? Given due process he wouldn't be off the front pages for years.
Bin Laden was an evil pig whose assassination is a huge victory to the west, albeit primarily symbolic. Due process does nobody any favours in his case so they killed him. It's an abject lesson in realpolitik, simple as that, and in this case, quite correct, imo.
Given the couple of hundred fabulously informed and beautifully analysed posts you've made over the last few months, I find your position on this thread strange, Dylans.
You've dropped the ball here. You may not agree with his execution but you must see why he was executed, so demanding proof that he wasn't, is totally sterile.
What do you want to see pictures of a mutilated body for? Get a fucking grip.
'Make 'em laugh, make 'em cry...'
Not only that; the technology guarantees that the barbarism affects the maximum number of people. It won't stop until we've brought about another real Dark Age. And probably not even then.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
exactly go vist orgre.--com if your in that that sort of shit
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Well, we develop much of our technology to serve military needs.
That's what I mean: the means to inflict the maximum number of casualties get better all the time. Add to that the fact that conflict is always guaranteed...
One day soon the means of mass destruction will slip out of control of states. In fact it's already happening. Which I suppose is what this is all about. But far from the subject of this thread being a reson for everybody to rejoice, we need to remember that that all that's happening is a belated and futile attempt to contain the monster we've created. And I don't mean Osama and his chums.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Aye, remember the much-heralded neutron bomb?
lopsidedbunny
Active Member
Pacific time I assume Obama is in Washington time zone...
likesfish
You can't park here sir
that was bollocks put about by the soviets who really didn't like a weapon designed to use radiation to kill tank crews having large tank forces rendered useless didn't really float their boat at all
Peak is 20:00 - 21:00 Pacific time.
That's 23:00 - 00:00 Eastern Daylight Time; 04:00 - 05:00 British Summer time, 03:00 - 04:00 Greenwich/Zulu time, isn't it?
Reuters page from when they'd confirmed the announcement was announced:
(Just showing my workings here...)
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