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Osama bin Laden killed by US forces in Pakistan

The human shields story is to try and disguise the fact they stormed into a house and indiscriminately shot everyone.
 
Bernie Gunther said:
Thing is though, given that what likesfish says is obviously true, why were they putting out propaganda spin about 'human shields' before finding out what actually happened?

All I can think is that as politicians, they just can't help themselves.
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made a great front page on The Sun didn't it.

i'm sure they haven't printed a correction

eta - it might not actually have been The Sun but i remember at least one of the tabloids had a lead on using his wife as a shield
 
Idris2002 said:
You win this round, FWC autodidact - but we shall meet again. :mad:
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If you look at this footage of a KR military meeting for their Revolutionary Army in 1976, you can see the different dress worn by regional forces - the Chinese PLA green worn by Eastern Zone troops, and the more recognisable black pyjamas and red-checked krama of those belonging to the Southwest Zone, their commander allied to the central authorities. They would eventually clash in 1978, with the latter trying to purge the former.
 
Yawn!! Are we still talking about this? There is so much MORE important news going on in the world right now.

All is good on planet Earth, A prince got married and the bad guy is dead. How DISNEY is that?
 
Chinese whispers and nobody waiting for confirmation .
journalists and spokesmen Don't like we don't know or your have to wait. some media types told that will just make shit up on the spot.

see de menzes they was a man in a coat jumping the barrier he was one of the cops.
 
Come on, the whole "human shield" thing was obviously (a) deliberately made up and (b) bullshit, from the start.

Apparently the first draft had him reaching for the button to launch Jihadi nukes at Israel, only to be shot, knocked backwards through a plate glass window and fall shouting "NOOOOOOOO!!!" with his arms windmilling, into a swimming pool. They thought that people might not believe he had a swimming pool though.
 
FaNnYjUiCe said:
Yawn!! Are we still talking about this? There is so much MORE important news going on in the world right now.

All is good on planet Earth, A prince got married and the bad guy is dead. How DISNEY is that?
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I think it is interesting that of all the very dramatic possible implications of this killing the one thing that is rather irrelevent is the issue of Al Qaeda itself. That organisation is in terminal decline anyway. In many ways Bin Laden was killed by a 26 year old Tunisia fruit seller called Mohamed Bouazizi. Bin Laden's death has implications for the Afghan war, for the US/Pakistan strategic relationship etc but it means little as far as the organisation he founded is concerned.
 
TomUS said:
I don't think so. Letting this Afghan quagmire continue into election season would be bad news for Obama. I doubt he's going to put re-election at risk for minerals scattered around an ungovernable wilderness. I'd say by next summer the US will have declared some kind of success & will largely be out of Afghan.
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It's very likely now that the present 'surge' and incursions into Pakistan with drones will end and troop withdrawals will take place, but a US military presence will remain in Afghanistan.
 
dylans said:
I think it is interesting that of all the very dramatic possible implications of this killing the one thing that is rather irrelevent is the issue of Al Qaeda itself. That organisation is in terminal decline anyway. In many ways Bin Laden was killed by a 26 year old Tunisia fruit seller called Mohamed Bouazizi. Bin Laden's death has implications for the Afghan war, for the US/Pakistan strategic relationship etc but it means little as far as the organisation he founded is concerned.
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Who do you reckon shopped him? It seems he was living there for quite a while and the US only got wind of it last year. So had the Pakistani government really been kept in the dark by the security services and then found out and told the yanks? Had they just grown tired of him or been made an offer they couldent refuse?

Or I wonder whether it was an individual who grassed him up, there must have still been a decent sized bounty on his head?
 
Teaboy said:
Or I wonder whether it was an individual who grassed him up, there must have still been a decent sized bounty on his head?
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My understanding was that they tracked a courrier who was taking Bin Laden's audio tapes to the media. The Courrier led them to the compound.
 
weltweit said:
My understanding was that they tracked a courrier who was taking Bin Laden's audio tapes to the media. The Courrier led them to the compound.
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Bit of a school boy error from someone who had succesfully hid for 10 years from the biggest man hunt in history.
 
I think we can assume whatever they tell us is a wrong un, including that bizarre hiding behind his wife stuff. Great opportunity to validate and justify Gitmo though - who could claim otherwise than they say.
 
Dan U said:
made a great front page on The Sun didn't it.

i'm sure they haven't printed a correction

eta - it might not actually have been The Sun but i remember at least one of the tabloids had a lead on using his wife as a shield
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The Telegraph, I think, ran with a "cowering behind his wife" headline too
 
dylans said:
I think it is interesting that of all the very dramatic possible implications of this killing the one thing that is rather irrelevent is the issue of Al Qaeda itself. That organisation is in terminal decline anyway. In many ways Bin Laden was killed by a 26 year old Tunisia fruit seller called Mohamed Bouazizi. Bin Laden's death has implications for the Afghan war, for the US/Pakistan strategic relationship etc but it means little as far as the organisation he founded is concerned.
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YES! I was waiting for someone to point this out on this thread - the Arab's 1848 has comepletely marginalised jihadists, and rendered them irrelevant and impotent
 
London_Calling said:
I think we can assume whatever they tell us is a wrong un, including that bizarre hiding behind his wife stuff. Great opportunity to validate and justify Gitmo though - who could claim otherwise than they say.
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my god, some sanity
 
Ken Livingstone speaks! (c/o the Graun):

I just looked at [the pictures of Americans celebrating Bin Laden's death] and realised that it would increase the likelihood of a terror attack on London. That's very much the American style but I don't think I've ever felt pleased at the death of anybody. The real problem for London is that after America we're a big target so it's a very dangerous time at the moment.

We should have captured [Bin Laden] and put him on trial. It's a simple point - are we gangsters or a Western democracy based on the rule of law? This undermines any commitment to democracy and trial by jury and makes Obama look like some sort of mobster.
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