dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Because they train and train and train so they can do the stuff 12 yr olds do on x box in real life.Head shots kill instantly so probably force of habit.
Osama bin Laden killed by US forces in Pakistan
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Because they train and train and train so they can do the stuff 12 yr olds do on x box in real life.Head shots kill instantly so probably force of habit.
claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
Fuck me, you're not only stupid, but a right fruitloon.
And photos are evidence of what? Not heard of photoshop? Not heard of the nutters that claimed the photos released of Saddam's sons were faked? Not heard of the nutters that still think the moon landings were faked?
The real evidence here will be the DNA results, not a fucking photo.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
True. but providing nothing, zero, zip dadda, but assurances from Obama to "take his word for it" is creating disbelief across the world. There is virtually noone in Pakistan who believes Bin Laden is dead right now. A place where conspiracy theories have been described as "a national sport". It is an indication of the lack of trust in the US administration and after WMDs in Iraq who can blame them. The US is feeding a frenzy of disbelief right now by refusing to disclose any evidence and this disbelief plays right into the hands of Islamist groups who can fill the vaccuum of information with their own propaganda. Release some autopsy pics and dna results fffs.
elbows
Well-Known Member
They have already spoken of DNA results I believe.
Photographic evidence is not going to convince every nutter, but its does not need to. Much a I said with the Obama birth certificate thing, the point is to marginalise the nutters, make it hard for mainstream to take them seriously for even a moment, for crap tv news to make an ongoing story out of it, etc.
That and the fact that a lot of people will really want to see the photo anyway, for other reasons. People like visuals, even if they know that the still and moving image can lie.
elbows
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Well I certainly wouldnt have expected all this evidence and pictures to emerge straight away, at the very least we can expect them to make multiple days worth of news of this stuff by dragging things out.
As for Pakistan and conspiracy theories, I guess they have plenty of reasons not to believe official events, reasons that go back a lot further than the WMD fiasco. Long before the term conspiracy theory became so prevalent, Im sure we could of talked of the issues of rumours (especially at a time of war), lack of trust, political and military dodgyness and manipulation in Pakistan and elsewhere. Personally I prefer to think of the picture in places like Pakistan using these old-fashioned terms, and save the term conspiracy theory for the net droolers, but thats just me.
It's amazingly interesting when you learn that people who have seriously impressive amounts of knowledge about world politics in far off places actually have no more of a clue than anyone cos they can't see the wood for the trees for starters and after that who the fuck is going to tell them what's actually occurring ?
You have to be a bit crackers with a weird sense of memory to believe any of this shit !
I blame the Jews and Richard Branson !
You have to be a bit crackers with a weird sense of memory to believe any of this shit !
I blame the Jews and Richard Branson !
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
the whole thing would have been recorded on helmet cams and beamed back to an ops room anyway . If they have killed him then thyeve had to do it . A live Osama would mean theyd have to declare war on Pakistan . If I was Alzarwihiwi Id be handing myself in at the nearest Swiss embassy .
audiotech
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12 year old X-Box gamers don't have a training schedule that includes at the finish a named "Hell Week" in which most who take up the challenge to join the US 'Navy Seals' drop out at this stage. They're allowed just 4 hours of sleep during this final training week. The unit is described as 'the most dangerous in the world'.
audiotech
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More than likely he'll have no face and be unrecognisable, so what's the point?
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Also, it's probably worth assuming that Obama's people are playing domestic politics with this stuff very hard.
For example by pushing the conspiraloon buttons of their domestic wingnuts in order to get them to make crazy demands on potential republican candidates that will come back to haunt them come election year.
I'd imagine what happens in Pakistan is a very distant second priority to attempts to e.g. manipulate the Republican primaries into letting Obama run against Trump/Palin on a "The President is an Alien/Speaking in Tongues" platform.
Why hope about my posts - a pointless excercise. No one's listening to you. And as far as I know the searches aren't recorded anywhere. Bit of an Ozymandius are you?
How to you mean, the c word is unclassy? Your grammar is, certainly. But tell me about its relationship with class. You seem to be coming on like the borgeois I took you for when I saw your revolting comments around and about the place.
You have a friend! I bet he's courageous. What else is your best friend, besides Jewish? I didn't mention anything associated with Judaism or its ethnic dimensions - what brought that up for you in my short comment on your offensive post? It offended. Can you accept that?
And what's "tight as arseholes"? Are arseholes 'tight' for you Rory. I guess maybe that'd be pleasing to you. People who are pleased are generally nicer than you seem to be when you post on threads. Maybe if I'd said "bugger off" instead that would have suited you better?
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
spartacus mills
let's wee on each other
It was a rushed burial so they wouldn't have to give us another Bank Holiday for his funeral
elbows
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Yeah, and its not surprising really. Capturing him alive would produce numerous headaches for a prolonged period of time, and since Bush first said 'wanted dead or alive' it always seemed far more likely that it would be dead.
I have extreme trouble picturing what any sort of trial would have been like, and there would be so much ranting and speculation if they tried a military trial behind closed doors. It just never seemed likely, they were always going to blow his brains out.
Its just a logical conclusion of Obamas, shot to kill and ask questions later policy- with his drone attacks in Pakistan. The guy is fucking mental. He doesnt want another g-bay so he will just keep up these extra judicicial killings and loads more innocents will get killed and maimed if info says they are al qaeda or they happen to be in the area of an actual jihadi. This foreign policy is something out of 24.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
It is only just sinking in to me just how massive the implications of this killing are. It is becoming increasingly obvious that the Pakistan state at the highest level conspired to hide and protect the most wanted man in the world while at the same time recieving billions of dollars in aid from the country hunting him. This is what is being revealed here. The shit is going to hit the fan once this sinks in and it is going to have an enormous effect on US Pakistan relations. The US is spinning this as a joint victory with Pakistan but behind the scenes I bet they are fuming
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
And what if the US was in on it, too, together with Pakistan? (I mean hiding him) After all he was useful to them for quite some time as a propaganda gold mine and was so worth more to them in the field than 6 feet under one. With the middle eastern revolutions it has become clear that he had become obsolete politically so they have finally decided to write him out of the script and move on. In the middle east he appears to never have been big news but in the west we have been Overdosed on the sod.
Another point is it doesn't matter if they show pics of his corpse or not. For the Obama administration he is dead and that's what counts.
The question is why?
Not a safe or fair assumption.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Not if you are terminally naive no
1%er
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I agree, I think it is becoming clearer by the day that "people of influence" knew he was there.
I don't know Pakistan well, but I know India and other comparable countries and I find it really hard to believe that he could have lived in that location for "years", as is being claimed, without the knowledge of some senior people.
The locals would have also been asking lots of questions about a compound like this in their local area, people tend to live outside and have far more social interaction in places like this, most families only have one person working supporting an extended family and I'm sure most people in this city know each-other.
(When I say live outside, I mean the day is spent in the streets not locked in a two up, two down with no idea who your neighbors are).
dylans: thanks for your posts, it is good to hear from someone who has some real life experience of a place.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
the why is why did they invade Iraq and kill its president when it was Pakistan harbouring Al Qaeda and possessing WMDS .
A grudge and oil.
stuff_it
Too skool for cool
Just how much sleep do you think some of them got the week Black Ops came out?
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Absolutely
Yeah and I did mention Judaism and its ethnic dimensions ? Did I bollocks.
Piss of teahead !
Fuckin Nora !!
Gingerman
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1%er
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I have not heard anything at all about his kidney problems, I thought this guy needed kidney dialysis, No mention of a medical room on any of the CNN reports I have seem. They went through the house room by room today on one of the news reports and nothing about medical equipment.
It also seems that the woman who he was said to have used as a human shield was in fact in a different floor of the compound and was shot in the leg, one reporter ask "why were the 30 (can't remember the number but t was 30 something) people arrested handcuffed, is it true that they were going to be removed in the helicopter that was blown up?" The response was "I don't have that information to hand"
It s going to take a while before we get anything close to the full story about this.
It also seems that the woman who he was said to have used as a human shield was in fact in a different floor of the compound and was shot in the leg, one reporter ask "why were the 30 (can't remember the number but t was 30 something) people arrested handcuffed, is it true that they were going to be removed in the helicopter that was blown up?" The response was "I don't have that information to hand"
It s going to take a while before we get anything close to the full story about this.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
There weren't any Arsenal posters either. I wonder why?
Gingerman
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