Yep that is probably shite. We now know the navy seals had orders to kill not capture bin laden, so i imagine they went in all guns blazing on the 'sand niggers'.
Osama bin Laden killed by US forces in Pakistan
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Yep that is probably shite. We now know the navy seals had orders to kill not capture bin laden, so i imagine they went in all guns blazing on the 'sand niggers'.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Dunno, there's plenty of large, secluded houses around Camberley where you could spend your entire life without seeing a soldier.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
No question that the ISI knew he was there but there are other questions that arise now about how much the US knew. Sky is reporting that the US knew that the villa had been bought and owned by a senior Al Qaeda operative as long ago as last August. The building is the largest in the area surrounded by security walls. I am starting to think that the US and Pakistani intelligence both knew about it for several months. If true then Pakistan may have cooperated with the operation and are denying that for their own strategic reasons.
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
Well, now we know where to look for terrorists then ...
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It should also be borne in mind just how much the military and intelligence hierarchies in Pakistan have benefitted from an unstable Pakistan - ObL's continued existence, whether it was known where he was hidden or not, kept TWAT-dollars rolling in to Pakistan, and kept the fuel, drugs and goods-smuggling rolling, all of which went to line the same old sets of pockets, so just keeping the myth of ObL alive served them well.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Do yerself a favour. If special forces are going after bin Laden, then of course everyone in the compound is getting tapped. It wern't a hostage rescue mission
Can anyone recommend me any books about the ISI?
Do yerself a favour. If special forces are going after bin Laden, then of course everyone in the compound is getting tapped. It wern't not hostage rescue mission
I didn't say it was! What you said is precisely what I said?
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
So what's with your racist shite?
Its what alot of people in the american military call arabs. Thats why I done the '**** *******'.
iROBOT
CURRENTLY RE-BOOTING
It would be suicide for them to admit to any part of this, although naturally they HAD to have had some part in it.What strikes me is that he's apparently been hauled up in this mansion for ten years. So much for the millionare who's given it all up to fight the infidel on behalf of the Uhmmah.....
dylans
overlord of all acorns
This is a paste of a pm I sent someone earlier. Thought it fitted on the thread.
Contrary to popular belief the ISI are not obsessed with Bin Laden and the Taliban out of any ideological love for him particularly. It is not a case of the Pakistan security services being infiltrated either organisationally or ideologically by forces sympathetic to his form of Islamism. Rather it is a marriage of convenience, not so different to the marriage of convenience enjoyed by the US during the Soviet Invasion.
The ISI ARE obsessed by India. This is the key to understanding their motivation. To Pakistan India, far more than Afghanistan or internal Islamism is the real existential threat. The institution itself is deeply steeped in anti Indian paranoia and fear. Not without good reason of course. The ISI blame India for Bangladesh and they are aware that an Indian invasion could be the end of Pakistan. To this end the ISI has always seen its Western border as its natural ally. It was seen as such when it faced Soviet Invasion and it is seen as such now. Of course now the US is the occupying power now and that puts them in a very contradictory position.
On the one hand Pakistan recieves military financial and most important political support from the US and that provides a degree of protection from (real or percieved) Indian aggressive intentions. On the other hand they have built over decades a long relationship with Islamist forces inside Afghanistan. Add to the natural sympathy for the Afghani rebels including the Taliban, amongst large sections of the population and the growing hostilty to the US and Pakistan finds itself walking a tightrope of conflciting interests and loyalties. Finally Pakistan relies on Afghanistan for strategic reasons.
It is not well known but Pakistan's entire self defence position is based on retreating into Afghanistan beyond the Khyber pass in the face of any Indian invasion and from their organising resistance. This is policy for decades and one taken very seriously by the ISI. To Pakistan this is the armageddon scenerio and one that all their military strategy is built on. Pakistan feels good relations with Afghanistan, not the US occupiers or what is percieved as its puppet government but with the population (many of whom share ethnic identity with many Pakistani's) is the final guarantee of strategic defence against India. It is this strategic understanding of the importance of its Western neighbour that governs the actions of the ISI.
In addition to this the ISI are also an organisation that, like organisations of this type across the globe, becomes the creator of its own nightmares. There is no doubt that the ISI support Kashmiri rebels (with some moral justification is should be said) and also some pretty nasty terrorist activity in India. I have no doubt that there was some ISI involvement in Bombay attacks and other atrocities for example and in any case it is Indian policy to blame Pakistan for such attacks regardless of their actual involvement. Truth comes second to politics here. An attack on India is always blamed on Pakistan. Indian aggression towards Pakistan is always responded to by Pakistani aggression. The drive towards war has a logic of its own. As I said. Pakistan is the most dangerous place on Earth
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
In itself the killing of Bin Laden is not a huge deal - 'Al Queada' (and the armed struggle wing of militant islam generally) have been operationally ineffective for years and OBL would have had little direct control over what the organisation does. Of course they are using it as an excuse to crank up the 'terror threat' one more time - but Im not buying.
Its obviously political gold for Obama.
But - as others have suggested, the real story is Pakistan - wtf is going to happen there now?
And how long before the american public - and some of there politicians - start calling for action agasint the pakistani militray intelligence?
Its perfeclty clear that senior elements of the ISI have been sheltering him for years.
Its obviously political gold for Obama.
But - as others have suggested, the real story is Pakistan - wtf is going to happen there now?
And how long before the american public - and some of there politicians - start calling for action agasint the pakistani militray intelligence?
Its perfeclty clear that senior elements of the ISI have been sheltering him for years.
I am explaining the mentality which I believe many of the US military has with regards to arabs and what probably atleast some of these navy seals were thinking when they went in. This is why it is easy for them to shot dead a women to death because they have been dehumanised in their eyes and are less than human beings. I think you should take a chill pill and stop going for the moral high ground.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
the bigger issue surely is why he would choose to live in such an ostentatious and noticable residence in the first place . With regular attacks upon the Pakistani military then obviously this area would be regulary screened for security purposes . Leaving aside security screening the obvious affluence would attract a lot of attention even from the verywell to do . Who the fuck is that guy with a bigger house than mine ?
Stuff like that is a pretty big deal in Indian and Pakistani society , the meaning of life virtualy for many.
The alleged destruction of one of the choppers sounds a bit fishy too .
How long before the myth of Osama taking his captors out in a suicide blast - hence no body - takes flight among the salafists .
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I can't recall any books specifically about the ISI, but Ahmed Rashid (respected Pakistani journo and author) details their involvement in the promotion of fundamentalist Islam and their links to the Taliban (and hence the various "foreign fighters" during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, such as bin Laden and his aQ contemporaries) in his books Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil, and Fundamentalism in Central Asia, Jihad: The Rise of Militant Islam in Central Asia and Descent into Chaos: The United States and the Failure of Nation Building in Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Central Asia.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
Its also Chinas Israel
Cheers Panda, I will search them out when I have some time.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
I thought that may have been the case with your first post. Hence
Fuck all to do with racist mentality or dehumanising. All to do with killing America's #1 mass murderer, a job that special forces of all nations train extensively for.
So no need for pathetic rabble rousing anti-US shit on this issue.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
And how long before the Pakistani public come out on the streets to denounce US troops launching military attacks on Pakistani soil. A few weeks ago saw massive demonstrations across Pakistan against US drone attacks. Including a massive sit in which effectively closed down the Pakistan border with afghanistan at the Khyber agency. Expect anti US demonstrations in Pakistan
You are talking shite(with the part I highlighted)
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
There and N. Korea. China's more shite than the US at choosing friends.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
You're.
Am I?
Since when do the Navy Seals or our SAS train to storm a compound to make arrests?
Grow up.
I didn't say they did-infact I was arguing that they didn't. I was also complaining about the way the media brushed of the womens death and as an another poster had mentioned they tried to claim that osama used her as a human shield.
toblerone3
Grrrrr
Both nuclear armed failed states with a major grudge against China's big Asian neighbours (North Korea against Japan ...... Pakistan against India). There is a sort of mad logic to China's foreign policy.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
they have and do but if the blokes wanted dead then the bloke turns up dead can't see anyone in the chief baddy's compound being classed as innocent bit like storming hitlers bunker only diehards or idiots would stick around.
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