gentlegreen
I hummus, therefore I am ...
I am guessing my scorpion petting zoo might not go down too well on urban either
Nice and hygenic though - no e-coli
Orca kills keeper in Seaworld, Florida - cover up in progress
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Nice and hygenic though - no e-coli
Boris Sprinkler
Dont be scared
What training regimes are you specifically talking about? They use clicker training at Seaworld Florida, nothing about 'breaking' IME.
Poor whale, poor trainer, these things happen.
I can't recall at present as it's not my area of expertise. But certainly I was reading some studies/papers at my gf's (she's a biologist and conservationist) with cited sources into exactly how the animals at such places are trained. I will try and remember to dig them out tonight and post the links.
T & P
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Gromit
International Man of Misery
I've always been fasniated by killer whales.
Despite the fact they are ruthless hunters and eat all sorts of large creatures they've pretty much like humans and in the wild don't eat us on sight like everything else. Like a massive shark who is naturally friendly with a potential food source for some intelectual reason.
Something thats kind of boggling when you think about it.
Its not suprising though that if you enslave one and keep it cooped up in cramped conditions that the good will towards us might evaporate.
Despite the fact they are ruthless hunters and eat all sorts of large creatures they've pretty much like humans and in the wild don't eat us on sight like everything else. Like a massive shark who is naturally friendly with a potential food source for some intelectual reason.
Something thats kind of boggling when you think about it.
Its not suprising though that if you enslave one and keep it cooped up in cramped conditions that the good will towards us might evaporate.
Agent Sparrow
the age of slippers and migraines
Tbf I don't think it applies to this story with what someone said about the orca being bought as a young orca (n.b. what's the term for a baby orca?), but sometimes these animals have been rescued from the sea and then can't be released back into the wild. Or were bought in times when people thought less about this stuff, and now have been too domesticated to release.
scumbalina
Scummy Mummy
^this^
Don't mean to sound judgemental SS, you can get dragged to all sorts with kids, work etc, but if people stopped going and pumping money into these awful places, they would close down.
My mum keeps telling me I must take littleun to the zoo, she'd love it
Errr, no thanks, she lives in England, if she wants to see lions and tigers she'll have to watch then on telly, or at a push I'd look into a safari park. There's local animal and wildlife sanctuaries that are far more hands on and she won't have to watch a beautiful creature pace up and down in a cage going slowly mental. Vile fucking places.scumbalina
Scummy Mummy
Tbf I don't think it applies to this story with what someone said about the orca being bought as a young orca (n.b. what's the term for a baby orca?), but sometimes these animals have been rescued from the sea and then can't be released back into the wild. Or were bought in times when people thought less about this stuff, and now have been too domesticated to release.
Doesn't mean they should be should be doing dumb arse tricks for an audience, its clearly not safe for the trainers for a start...
Agent Sparrow
the age of slippers and migraines
Well, when I was in Florida we visited a place that was half sea life centre and half marine animal rescue place. They had two dolphins who had been rescued and then couldn't be returned to the wild.
When we showed up they were both at one end of the pool, hardly moving and one was clutching a hoop. I know you have to be careful with putting human emotions onto animals, but there was something about it which made them look bored and depressed. Then when feeding time arrived the staff set tricks up for them as part of the process. The dolphins seemed to come alive.
Now, they might have just been doing it for the food, but there's also the likelihood that they enjoyed the stimulation too. These are highly intelligent animals, and it's very probable that they need that stimulation just as much as we would. Obviously animals should not be taken from the wild unless there's a bloody good reason, but when there is, perhaps the tricks aren't always negative.
no-no
Small robot you know
If you get into a swimming pool with a killer whale enough times eventually it'll kill you. It's just probability, it's a wild intelligent creature, it's going to get pissed off with you at some point it's just that when it does it's going to fuck you up.
Tranquilizer snipers? yes please.
Tranquilizer snipers? yes please.
EPIC FAIL
There's a lot of uninformed nonsense being spouted on this thread. SeaWorld do shitloads for research, conservation and education. They are world experts in marine zoology. Very often the animals that they take in are one's that would have no chance of survival in the wild. The way they are being portrayed on this thread as some sort of circus act is WAY off the mark.
Lemon Eddy
Disliked by dwyer
Absolutely, I believe they lag only behind the Japanese research fleet in their expertise on cetacea
Lemon Eddy
Disliked by dwyer
Sorry, you mean they lead the Japanese scientific fleet in research?
Not sure why it's not fair. Seaworld is basically in the business of taking animals that should be swimming across oceans, and putting them on display in very small tanks, and training them to do tricks. It's hard not to look at that and conclude they're a bunch of bastards.
A bunch of bastards that have been funding conservation and breeding programs for over 40 years.
Pingu
Credo
What training regimes are you specifically talking about? They use clicker training at Seaworld Florida, nothing about 'breaking' IME.
Poor whale, poor trainer, these things happen.
tbh whilst i am not a fan of keeping wild animals in captivity sea world have very much been at the forefront of development positive training methods such as clicker and target training
fractionMan
Custom Title
When I saw the orcas in san diego there were a couple of nuns in front of me. Looked like they'd come dressed up in sympathy.
Well I thought it was funny.
Well I thought it was funny.
Lemon Eddy
Disliked by dwyer
I'll happily look into things a bit more deeply, but would appreciate a few pointers into what I'm meant to be checking out.
Far as I can see, they're an amusement park company, owned by a private equity corporation, who make their money through aquatic zoos. If you can find any sealife organisation who reckons putting a killer whale into a small tank is a nice thing to do, please advise, but otherwise it appears that they're in the business of bastardry, which they then try to make all nice by also doing some research. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when people have decided to experiment on caged humans, it's not been seen as a fair excuse?
scumbalina
Scummy Mummy
Both the Whale and Dolphin Conservation Society and the World Society for the Protection of Animals have been critical of Sea World, so it looks like not all conservationists would agree...
Chester Copperpot
Triple stones
Lemon Eddy
Disliked by dwyer
That still leaves them as a bunch of bastards. Just ones who a) need a breeding program to replace their exhibits and b) need a bit of good publicity to answer the various groups criticising them.
Louloubelle
Well-Known Member
A brief history of the business of keeping whales and dolphins for entertainment
http://www.iridescent-publishing.com/rtm/ch1p6.htm
for those who are interested enough to read a chapter of a book
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sorry this is the chapter re cetaceans in the UK, plus there's a bit about Nutkins
##http://www.iridescent-publishing.com/rtm/ch5p2.htm
FWIW the conservation argument is just a lie that is prevalent amongst businesses that keep animals for the purposes of entertainment, the conservation of "endangered" white lions and tigers (in fact not endangered at all, as they are a mutation not a subspecies) being the most notorious example.
http://www.iridescent-publishing.com/rtm/ch1p6.htm
for those who are interested enough to read a chapter of a book
edited
sorry this is the chapter re cetaceans in the UK, plus there's a bit about Nutkins
##http://www.iridescent-publishing.com/rtm/ch5p2.htm
FWIW the conservation argument is just a lie that is prevalent amongst businesses that keep animals for the purposes of entertainment, the conservation of "endangered" white lions and tigers (in fact not endangered at all, as they are a mutation not a subspecies) being the most notorious example.
T & P
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Which to me it looks a bit like tobacco companies donating money to cancer charities.
Funding conservation is undboutedly good. Keeping 7-ton whales in glorified fish tanks performing tricks for tourists is not. Make no mistake as to what the primary objective and mission of the company is.
Sir Belchalot
arenicola marina
So why did you go back a second time?
Hopefully one day all zoos & attractions such as this will no longer exist.
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