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On this thread, we like synthesisers.

So what’s it like? Got any demos?!

I'm moving so it is still in the box, not even opened that! Honestly can't wait but atm I have minus space on the auld desk so I must reisist. Why did you even buy it then, bmd? If you have to ask then please leave the thread.

In other news, the Neutron is a beast. I put a patch through some EQ and my god, it out 303'd the 303.
 
I already stuck this Flying Lotus soundtrack album in another thread, but if you like CS-80 type synth sounds and want to hear more of them in a non-Vangelis context, could do a lot worse than certain beautiful moments of this:




Meanwhile I have the Behringer 2600 clone (the blue one with real spring reverb). I have the UDO Super 6 too, god I love that synth. I have no talent so many years of practice are still ahead.
 
Wow, elbows, those are 2 complicated synths to begin with. Although, am I right in thinking that you have electronics knowledge?

I came here to say that the Sisters with Transistors doc is only on Metrograph for 2 more days. There's a couple of Q&As too. Best £3.62 I've spent in ages.

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Wow, elbows, those are 2 complicated synths to begin with. Although, am I right in thinking that you have electronics knowledge?

Oops I should have been clearer. Those arent my first synths, and I even have some eurorack experience. Although I would not claim to have mastered the art of making beautiful synth patches of my own, thats not what my lack of talent comments refer to - its the actually making music where my greatest deficiencies lie. My electronics knowledge isnt brilliant but I have no trouble with the concepts of what each bit of a synth does, the user interface etc, I am that sort of nerd. So its learning how to play well and how music works that involves a long voyage ahead for me. I suppose I wouldnt call the Super 6 complicated either, but I suppose I only say that because I think it has a very intuitive, hands on interface.

I do find myself embarrassed about how much money I've been able to spend on synths in recent years, so I have not mentioned a number of other premium synths that I am blessed to own at the moment. I've got a Waldorf Quantum. I've got a Deckards Dream, a MatrixBrute, a Kijimi, a Hydrasynth, a Moog Grandmother. I dont have any money left for fuether expensive synths so these are my 'rest of my life' synths unless I turn the rest of my life around. To be quite honest most of my life has been a total failure and these are my consolation prizes. Hopefully suitably sad music will flow from them one day.
 
Oh and I do have an Osmose on pre-order although it is taking forever for that synth to come to fruition. I'm addicted to expressive playing via MPE controllers such as the Linnstrument and Roli Seaboards, and hopefully the Osmose will be the ultimate fruition of that side of things as I dont have money left to keep indulging in alternative controllers. What most of my polysynths have in common is MPE support so that they can utilise this expressive control per note.

The 'synth that got away' for me is the OB-6, mostly because it did not have MPE support till recently, so it wasnt on my list during the period where I found myself with lots of money for synths. Theres a fair chance I will sell some other synths to get one eventually. I see Dave Smith has sold his company to Focusrite.
 
I already stuck this Flying Lotus soundtrack album in another thread, but if you like CS-80 type synth sounds and want to hear more of them in a non-Vangelis context, could do a lot worse than certain beautiful moments of this:




Meanwhile I have the Behringer 2600 clone (the blue one with real spring reverb). I have the UDO Super 6 too, god I love that synth. I have no talent so many years of practice are still ahead.

Love the CS80. I have the Arturia plug in and the ME80 version from people whose name escapes me. The fromer is of course more feature heavy, but the ME80 is much cheaper and sounds a bit better.

I would love to be able to wrap my head around the CS80 V multimode.

Somehow don't see myself owning the real thing though.
 
Somehow don't see myself owning the real thing though.

It will be interesting to see what price the Behringer clone will be when it eventually arrives. Not that I have physical room for one (although at least the clone will presumably not weigh 100kg). But I did indulge in the Deckards Dream, which sounds great but I'm sure does not sound the same as a real CS-80.

This video is most wonderful if you have a spare hour:

 
I already stuck this Flying Lotus soundtrack album in another thread, but if you like CS-80 type synth sounds and want to hear more of them in a non-Vangelis context, could do a lot worse than certain beautiful moments of this:




Meanwhile I have the Behringer 2600 clone (the blue one with real spring reverb). I have the UDO Super 6 too, god I love that synth. I have no talent so many years of practice are still ahead.


Nice. I just read about the Behringer 2600. Have never dabbled with actual patches, I know it's semi modular but still something like that would take me a while to work out.

I'd love to hear something from the UDO Super 6. I was torn between that an the Summit. The UDO guy lives not far from me, (not that I know him.) I've only heard it on Youtube but it sounded mesmorising. I love binaural sound stuff anyway.

The Summit won for it's bi timbralaty, the fx and it being 61 notes, sits better on the bottom of my stand. Well and it sounds amazing of course.
 
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It will be interesting to see what price the Behringer clone will be when it eventually arrives. Not that I have physical room for one (although at least the clone will presumably not weigh 100kg). But I did indulge in the Deckards Dream, which sounds great but I'm sure does not sound the same as a real CS-80.

This video is most wonderful if you have a spare hour:



Heh, I have watched that recently one morning. And another doc I forget the name of, covered loads of classic synths, the people behind them.
 
I'd love to hear something from the UDO Super 6. I was torn between that an the Summit. The UDO guy lives not far from me, (not that I know him.) I've only heard it on Youtube but it sounded mesmorising. I love binaural sound stuff anyway.

I'm too shy to share my efforts at playing it. And not just being bashful, literally couldnt string something together that others would want to hear at this stage. However, I would be up for playing other peoples midi recordings into it if desired and anybody is up for it.

Here are some tracks on soundcloud that others have done using the Super 6:





And a large quantity from this person, I shall just link to one in particular as a starting point, not because I think its the best one:



It is amazing, although they still havent actually finished the firmware yet (no MPE yet despite there being a button for it on the panel, some other midi stuff not finished including midi over usb). If it had been one of the first polysynths I bought instead of one of the last, chances are I may have been able to resist buying the others.
 
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Oh and I do have an Osmose on pre-order although it is taking forever for that synth to come to fruition. I'm addicted to expressive playing via MPE controllers such as the Linnstrument and Roli Seaboards, and hopefully the Osmose will be the ultimate fruition of that side of things as I dont have money left to keep indulging in alternative controllers. What most of my polysynths have in common is MPE support so that they can utilise this expressive control per note.

The 'synth that got away' for me is the OB-6, mostly because it did not have MPE support till recently, so it wasnt on my list during the period where I found myself with lots of money for synths. Theres a fair chance I will sell some other synths to get one eventually. I see Dave Smith has sold his company to Focusrite.

Great writing! Really easy to read. :) I could go on but let's leave it there.

If anyone was going to misread your post, it seems that I am fast becoming that person. Ah well, better to be known for something than not known at all. I was going to mention about Focusrite's acquisition of Dave Smith Instruments. I'm guessing that any previous collaborations, like the Toraiz SP-16 will have ended now. Or maybe they're all owned by the same company? No idea, not my area of interest. Someone said that a Novation x DSI synth would be amazing. Can definitely see that happening.

The Linnstrument looks amazing. Truly inspirational. Why didn't you buy a Continuum, if you don't mind me asking? It seems as though that would be at number 1 Expressive Avenue for you, seeing as it's the grandmother of every other MPE controller.

Lastly, what about soft synths like Pigments? Or just a piece of kit like the iPad and all the amazing apps on there? Do you bother with anything like that, MPE-wise?

eta: oh and what stops me posting anything, is probably the same reason as you, and that is that I have such a high bar that everything I do sounds terrible. Great in the moment, really enjoy it while I'm in that space but once I come back to it I tear it to pieces and never bother with it again. That is not learning. That is shit. It's really really shit and just not kind to me. I am trying to turn that ocean liner around.

I began learning to make electronic music, without an engineer, about 15 months ago. I got a few bits and pieces and started messing with them. This is the first time in my life that I have tried hard, put myself out there, in my head, for my head to tear me to pieces. It's hard but that's not what any journey is about. It's about joy. I do not wish to keep doing this to myself. So I am changing. To do that I must be conscious of what I wish to change. What I wish to change is my critical mind. My over critical mind. There is a balance in everything. If I do not change that I will not get anywhere with this. Watch this space. :)

Today I am farting about with an iPad app called Grooverider GR-16. Yes, I am serious, that is really what it's called. Thing is, not only does it steal its name, as it has nothing to do with yer man but it's also, quite hilariously it seems to me, to, an almost direct rip off of a Korg Electribe 2. I have one of those as well but I like messing with the iPad because the menus are a lot closer to the sound, iyswim? So yeah, £15 I think and you have a Korg Electribe 2 to do with what you will. It was a bit of an enigma at first but like everything else on the planet, once you read the manual then it becomes no clearer at all. So I have steadily dug away at it. Simply moving my finger around on the touchpad at first and marvelling that I Am MaKinG TEh rAvE muSIc! Over the last few days I have started to get to grips with things under the hood, the EQ, the effects, the sound banks, the sequencer, the layout etc. I am really enjoying it whilst attemptng to make some Minimal Techno like Steve O'Sullivan's. Obviously that will be a piece of piss because there's only a few tracks. Expect my opus in the next few hours.
 
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Cheers.

I have no speculation in my mind about Sequential and Focusrite because my understanding is that Focusrite can be very hands off with this sort of thing, so DSI/Sequential and Novation may remain entirely unrelated for all I know. And for whatever reason most synths Dave has made dont really appeal to me, I'm only interested in the OB-6 because of the Oberheim side of things.

I dabble with soft synths and I was hugely into ipad synths for a time, especially before there were very many hardware synths that supported MPE. But one I was able to dabble with hardware I never really looked back, I like the sound of analog filters and oscillators too much and the tactile nature of hardware interfaces (although there are of course some hardware synths with interfaces that I hate). All the sme, I do love the sounds that Animoog, Moog Model 15 and Volt can produce on the ipad. On the desktop/laptop I do own a bunch of Arturia stuff and Pigments, but I dont spend much time with them at the moment, maybe that will change again one day, maybe not.

The Continuum was too expensive and too heavy and I dont like the mechanism used (eg see some of the pics on this page Haken continuum fix , no need to bother with the words on that page to get the idea, argh!). Plus I realised via some expensive synth purchases that its harder to learn about flaws in expensive, niche stuff because there are not as many owners online willing to shout about them. And devices from those sorts of companies are often not terribly well polished, and my mind wanders to my own experience working for very small companies and their inevitable limitations. Perhaps if the promise of the Osmose had not arrived then I would have been tempted by the new 'slim' versions of the continuum by now, I dont know. I'm also torn in regards what sort of playing surface I like - unlike many proper players of traditional keys I do not hate the mushy feel of the Roli stuff. But I do see the advantages and appeal of proper individual keys that move a substantial distance. If I could have avoided traditional key layouts then probably I would, since there is something about the layout of white keys and black keys that doesnt mesh well with my ability to memorise stuff, and I dont like the way that 'chord shapes' change across the playing surface. I like the layouts available on the Linnstrument but I really hate the fact the playing surface doesnt move, it has negligible squish/give and I like my finger to move up and down quite a bit when engaging different amounts of aftertouch etc. Long term who knows what I will settle on, I will wait to see what the Osmose is like to actually play before considering whether to try any other options in future.

Although I am something of a perfectionist and suffer from imposter syndrome quite easily, thats not what currently causes me to stumble when it comes to sharing music. Rather its the fact that dspite being interested in synths this entire century so far, I have never made a piece of music, never put a song together at all, never learnt to play a specific tune or formally compose anything. So far I have just mucked around learning to make interesting sounds, and I can spend hours randomly playing stuff expressively for my own enjoyment, without structure and without lots of different instruments simultaneously. I want to go beyond that, but so far I stuck to my comfort zones of music technology and expressivity. I am just now starting to go beyond that, but it will be a very long process. I have the time to do it, but need to work on the focus and some of the theory of music.
 
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Oh my god, the Continuum looks like a nightmare! I would never buy something that expensive that could simply start sounding notes because I'd got a bit too carried away when playing it. Isn't that what music is about?

I was going to ask your thoughts about the Sensel Morph and the Joue Play that has now split into the Joue and the Joue Pro. I love the Buchla overlay for the Morph, or, at least, the look of it. It is about as far away from any playing surface I've ever seen. It kind of looks like a diving eagle, to me. Obviously, they are simple flat surfaces, ungiving surfaces and so will not appeal to you.

MPE is a weird one. Maybe not a weird one but I kind of see it like music's VR kit. Not even that, really. Although MPE within a VR environment? Whoa. But seriously, why don't professional keyboard players employ it? Or maybe they do? I can't say I've seen anyone employ the X axis recently. Bog standard MIDI just seems to hold much more promise and control. Now that MIDI 2.0 is on the horizon, on the horizon, on the horizon (when the actual fuck will anyone stick it in a piece of kit?) I wonder who will consider MPE as a road to travel? Plus there's the fact that you have to buy a controller with it added in, for much more money or, well, not bother and use MIDI, free MIDI instead. I do think that it is a bit like the salt of music. You have to keep adding more if you want to keep noticing it.

I sound really negative about it, don't I? I guess I would say that I'm sceptical. I haven't heard anything that MPE does that makes me think WOW. I am sure that it is absolutely brilliant playing it like you do, especially with your synth collection. My god, your synth collection!

eta: ok, so I've been watching this promo of the Osmose. Of course, Jordan Rudess is on there. Has any keyboard anywhere ever been released without his beard somewhere in the promo? He seems to be super excited about every keyboard he is involved with. I imagine he's never not excited, bless him. It does look very very good for an MPE controller. Although, for £1800 I'd want a few lessons off old Jordan himself. Maybe that's part of the package? Still, I wonder how many of those people who demoed it will be buying one? We'll see. It also kind of backs up what I believe in that you need to be bloody good on the auld keys to make it work for you.




Lastly, I started learning to play the piano last year because, like you by the sounds of it, I have realised that it is all very well plinking away for a note or two a la every techno tune ever but there comes a time in a man's life when he wants to do more than plink. I need to learn piano in all it's intricate glories in order to do that. So I need a bit more space, because I kept having to put away my keyboard and get it out for learning and practicing, which was not ideal.

Lastly again, here are one of my favourite jazz duos right now, teenagers Domi and J.D Beck. He inspires my drum writing and she is just unbelievably awesome on keys. Love the Nord Stage too. Just watching them puts a huge grin on my face.



 
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Lastly again, here are one of my favourite jazz duos right now, teenagers Domi and J.D Beck. He inspires my drum writing and she is just unbelievably awesome on keys. Love the Nord Stage too. Just watching them puts a huge grin on my face.






Reminds me a little of Jacques Loussier and Luc Heller but late 70s/ early 80s though.


 
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I do all my music making in software, with a fully weighted 88 key controller for composing. But I recently saw a synth where I thought “there is no way I could practically do what that does, in software”, so I took the plunge.

It‘s the Korg wavestate.

The unique thing, for me, is wave sequencing. A single preset can be made up of a number of lanes. One for samples, one for timing, one for pitch, another for shape Etc. Each can have up to 64 steps, and each can be a different length and have different looping points. That means the lanes can shift and slide against each other to produce ever-evolving voices whilst a note is held.

And a preset can have four of these lane groups. The possibilities of this are mind boggling. Some of the presets are a “one key film score”. It’s a radical evolution of their 1990 Wavestation.

With all that depth, editing via hardware controls takes some learning. Korg are working on editor software, which should be a huge help. Nonetheless, even without that, it’s an amazing bit of kit.

Now I just have to tell myself not to buy another hardware synth. I don’t have the space, I can’t do automation like I can in a DAW, I‘ll be forced to physically move around to get to the sounds etc etc. But... oh the knobs, the sliders, the blinking LEDs. If I threw rationality out of the window I’d have a room full.
 
Oh my god, the Continuum looks like a nightmare! I would never buy something that expensive that could simply start sounding notes because I'd got a bit too carried away when playing it. Isn't that what music is about?

I was going to ask your thoughts about the Sensel Morph and the Joue Play that has now split into the Joue and the Joue Pro. I love the Buchla overlay for the Morph, or, at least, the look of it. It is about as far away from any playing surface I've ever seen. It kind of looks like a diving eagle, to me. Obviously, they are simple flat surfaces, ungiving surfaces and so will not appeal to you.

The Sensel Morph is quite nice, modern tech providing nice sensitivity. I was attracted to it because of ability to design your own playing surface layouts for it. Its true that the standard overlays have very little give, so the last thing I did with mine was stick a neoprene sheet to it instead. Using double-sided sticky tape, although I havent received a blue peter badge for these efforts. There were some firmware bugs with midi that made it slightly inconsistent but I believe they updated the firmware to fix some of that stuff and I havent had a chance to try it again since. Its on my list of things to do in the coming months.

The Joue has slightly more give in its overlays and there was one overlay in particular that made me want one. However this is one of those purchases where it turned out the product had a huge flaw that nobody was talking about. The pressure from one finger interferes massively with the values sent via pressure from another finger, making it absolutely useless for polyphonic aftertouch. I thought it was a firmware bug when I got one and discovered this issue, but when I asked on their forum they said it was a sensor limitation, what a bloody joke. And then much later they deleted their forum that I had that conversation on. On my shit list as a result for sure.

MPE is a weird one. Maybe not a weird one but I kind of see it like music's VR kit. Not even that, really. Although MPE within a VR environment? Whoa. But seriously, why don't professional keyboard players employ it? Or maybe they do? I can't say I've seen anyone employ the X axis recently. Bog standard MIDI just seems to hold much more promise and control. Now that MIDI 2.0 is on the horizon, on the horizon, on the horizon (when the actual fuck will anyone stick it in a piece of kit?) I wonder who will consider MPE as a road to travel? Plus there's the fact that you have to buy a controller with it added in, for much more money or, well, not bother and use MIDI, free MIDI instead. I do think that it is a bit like the salt of music. You have to keep adding more if you want to keep noticing it.

I sound really negative about it, don't I? I guess I would say that I'm sceptical. I haven't heard anything that MPE does that makes me think WOW. I am sure that it is absolutely brilliant playing it like you do, especially with your synth collection. My god, your synth collection!

Loads of people dont get it but I dont care because MPE survived and thrived despite the doubters. Just look at the number of synths, both hardware and software, that now support MPE. Even Ableton Live finally supports it properly as of version 11. The majority of musicians do not need to embrace something like this in order for it to be valid and successful and for there to be enough demand for it that manufacturers feel the need to eventually implement it.

In some ways the reception MPE gets is very similar to things like polyphonic aftertouch and the ribbon controller from the CS-80. Some people get it, love it, think its essential, and were very sad about the many years polyphonic aftertouch spent in the wilderness. Others see no need for it at all. Thats fine, both can co-exist. ASM certainly sold quite a few Hydrasynths because they included polyphonic aftertouch in the keybed.

Factors that influence whether there is any point to MPE for people include the time it takes to adapt playing style to make good use of it, the type of music being played, and whether someone wants to control multiple parameters directly in an expressive way as opposed to relying on traditional aspects of synthesis to modulate those values. Things come alive for me when 'I am the envelope, I am the human LFO' and so I've been sold on the expressive principals since the first time I picked up an Eigenharp Pico (which was a doomed device from the start but thats another story).

The types of controller available ths far has definately been a complicating factor. Loads of proper keyboard players dont like the mushy nature of the Roli stuff. And even those that embrace it face a learning curve and likely many years of practice before they are confident enough to include such things in their professional playing. Osmose is of significant interest in that regard because it holds the promise of being a better fit with existing keyboard skills, although we still have to wait and see if that proves to be the case.

eta: ok, so I've been watching this promo of the Osmose. Of course, Jordan Rudess is on there. Has any keyboard anywhere ever been released without his beard somewhere in the promo? He seems to be super excited about every keyboard he is involved with. I imagine he's never not excited, bless him. It does look very very good for an MPE controller. Although, for £1800 I'd want a few lessons off old Jordan himself. Maybe that's part of the package? Still, I wonder how many of those people who demoed it will be buying one? We'll see. It also kind of backs up what I believe in that you need to be bloody good on the auld keys to make it work for you.

Peak Rudess becoming a bit of a joke due to overexposed, overenthusiastic salesmanship was years ago. I preordered the Osmose for significantly less than the final retail price but it remains to be seen how much Brexit, the pandemic and global supply shortages scupper my original expectations, original timescale expectations have already gone to pot. The original announcement generated significant excitement for good reason, but the proof of the pudding is in the eating so we'll just have to wait and see. In the meantime the Roli Lumi keyboards, the build quality and feel of which I do not particularly like, now offer somewht similar functionality since they added the ability to invoke pitch changes by slightly wiggling the keys left to right. Its the large range of primary and secondary aftertouch that I most look forward to on the Osmose, but until its in my hands I cannot say much more.

I do not believe that you need to be bloody good at keys to get something out of these things. I can get a lot out of these devices even if I'm only using a few fingers and relatively crude/non-traditional ways of playing. There are lots of different ways to harness this stuff. Time spent working out how to get something out of it for you, and then practice, practice, practice is essential, but thats true of any instrument.

Hopefully a theme is becoming apparent with what I'm saying - embrace the differences between people. There is no one answer, needs and desires vary, skills vary, budgets vary, styles of music vary. This stuff isnt for everybody, and it isnt for nobody. I can be very happy and excited about my own use of it, without trying to evangelically convert non-believers. I dont really care what anyone else is doing, apart from needing a certain level of success to ensure this stuff is sustainable. From the world of computers etc I am used to embracing gimmicks that dont gain traction and die out, so I was very pleased that MPE support managed to get beyond such initial hurdles.

MIDI 2.0 is complicated and has many aspects, some of which arent even finished yet when it comes to the minute detail of the specs. Multiple parts of the ecosystem of hardware and software need to implement specific aspects of MIDI 2.0 that actually offer compelling, useful functionality in order for this stuff to gain traction. It will be a slow journey and we havent yet reached the stage where any such compelling scenarios are available. We are at the stage where a few people ask stupid qustions about 'why no MIDIi 2.0 support?' without actually describing which aspects of MIDI 2.0 they want to see. I suppose if I had to guess, what we'll see first is stuff on the 'auto discovery of capabilities' side of things, because certain manufacturers will see the opportunity for devices to offer fancy functionality without the traditional configuration pain that stops many users from bothering to set this stuff up in the traditional, laborious manner. Different aspets of MIDI 2.0 do offer further expressive potential beyond MPE, but for now MPE is often good enough, and crucially supported by enough different parts of the ecosystem, so I expect only slow evolution on the expressive front when it comes to MIDI 2.0. Indeed I tend to think that MPE is one of the things that woke the midi standards people from their long slumber in the first place. Another hurdle that MIDI 2.0 has to overcome is on the physical signal transport side of things - last time I checked they did not play to support traditional Midi din connections, rather embracing modern bi-directional, packet based communication. Which means USB and/or network connections. This will inevitably slow adoption in regards certain scenarios, increasing my sense that people should expect a narrow subset of specific MIDI 2.0 functionality to first be offered by a handful of manufacturers, to offer something compelling and of obvious use. I place no bets on how well or how quickly this will happen.
 
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Just to be more specific about MIDI 2.0 for a moment, I suppose I exprect a handful of manufacturers to eventually have just enough products available that they can market some very specific things in a way that makes sense to users. Obvious candidates are the greater number of midi channels, higher resolution messages, and the ability of devices to advertise their features in a manner that reduces tedious configuration. eg imagine a non-proprietory version of Native Instruments NKS, in terms of pre-mapping etc.
 
The Joue attitude has always been a bit French, imo but it's not limited to them. There are far too many manufacturers who want the beta phase to take place after the release date.

I don't wish to win an argument with you about MPE and I certainly would never hope to change your behaviour because of anything we said on here. I just enjoy talking about this stuff and it's good to hear the pov of someone who has a lot of experience with it. Maybe once I have some more time with my gear behind me I'll start to see the attraction.

All I want from MIDI 2.0 is the bi-directional part. That sounds great. I believe that the spec has been ratified now and therefore it won't really change? I hope so. It sounds like there's a lot of really interesting features to it.
 
I actually like beta testing but thats because I am impatient to get in on the action with bleeding edge devices and I'm a tech nerd that doesnt need everything to be sorted on the mission critical side of things from the day of launch. I can certainly understand the frustrations of those who want stuff to work and be polished before release. The problem with the Joue was that it was a hardware limitation, at least according to what they told me a few years ago, so it was never going to be solved via a firmware update.

I dont think there is an argument to be had about MPE that could actually be won or lost because it is a personal thing. Its as pointless as arguing about whether keyboards or guitars are better.

There are plenty of questions that can give clues as to whether MPE is going to be of any interest and use to a particular person. Start with the real basics, not even poly aftertouch, does bog standard channel aftertouch even appeal? If not, then scope to get something out of per-note aftertouch is probably limited. Same with pitch. If you dont have any interest in altering the timbre or pitch of certain notes being played whilst not affecting some other notes that are being played at the same time, then I dont see what benefit MPE would have for you, simple as that really.

Although I suppose there are also the non-MPE aspects of MPE controllers to be considered. The feel or layout of the controller may be appealing even if the per-note expressivity is not important to you. And for example I do have tremendous fun using certain MPE controllers in non-MPE mode with monosynths. Mostly because I feel some connection between my finger and the note being played that brings me much joy, well beyond straightforward initial note velocity.

MIDI 2.0 has a very large spec, much of which is ratified but last time I looked there were all sorts of devilish details still being worked out when it came to specific aspects. Yes the whole point of it being a standard is to provide certainty, but in reality the way that manufacturers initially implement stuff can have a practical impact. Its a long mission and its far from over yet, and until I have examples of it actually being implemented in various sorts of devices, I dont have too much more to say about it.
 
Wow, elbows, those are 2 complicated synths to begin with. Although, am I right in thinking that you have electronics knowledge?

I came here to say that the Sisters with Transistors doc is only on Metrograph for 2 more days. There's a couple of Q&As too. Best £3.62 I've spent in ages.

Link

The documentary is now listed as available on demand through May 20th, which is just as well as I havent found time to watch it yet.
 
The documentary is now listed as available on demand through May 20th, which is just as well as I havent found time to watch it yet.

I bought a sub and still haven't watched it, so it is also appreciated over here.
 
I do all my music making in software, with a fully weighted 88 key controller for composing. But I recently saw a synth where I thought “there is no way I could practically do what that does, in software”, so I took the plunge.

It‘s the Korg wavestate.

The unique thing, for me, is wave sequencing. A single preset can be made up of a number of lanes. One for samples, one for timing, one for pitch, another for shape Etc. Each can have up to 64 steps, and each can be a different length and have different looping points. That means the lanes can shift and slide against each other to produce ever-evolving voices whilst a note is held.

And a preset can have four of these lane groups. The possibilities of this are mind boggling. Some of the presets are a “one key film score”. It’s a radical evolution of their 1990 Wavestation.

With all that depth, editing via hardware controls takes some learning. Korg are working on editor software, which should be a huge help. Nonetheless, even without that, it’s an amazing bit of kit.

Now I just have to tell myself not to buy another hardware synth. I don’t have the space, I can’t do automation like I can in a DAW, I‘ll be forced to physically move around to get to the sounds etc etc. But... oh the knobs, the sliders, the blinking LEDs. If I threw rationality out of the window I’d have a room full.

Niiiiice! I really like Korg gear. What's not to like? Although, why is it all so expensive in Japan? Every time I eBay something, the results have a sprinkle of stuff from Jap eBay and my god! Even the postage is like £100! They know they're on Earth, right?

There's an iOS Wavestation app. I think it's a software version of the Wavestation. Just call me Sherlock. Is the Wavestate any relation?
 
I'm too shy to share my efforts at playing it. And not just being bashful, literally couldnt string something together that others would want to hear at this stage. However, I would be up for playing other peoples midi recordings into it if desired and anybody is up for it.

Here are some tracks on soundcloud that others have done using the Super 6:





And a large quantity from this person, I shall just link to one in particular as a starting point, not because I think its the best one:



It is amazing, although they still havent actually finished the firmware yet (no MPE yet despite there being a button for it on the panel, some other midi stuff not finished including midi over usb). If it had been one of the first polysynths I bought instead of one of the last, chances are I may have been able to resist buying the others.


I don't suppose you know where to start looking to learn how to write custom firmware, do you? I don't even know if it's all written in the same language. I have a piece of gear, abandoned by it's makers, Zoom, that is a firmware update or 2 away from legendary status. It's also, possibly, the maddest piece of gear ever. I give you the -




I've got the other one, the 96. adjusts tie, pushes glasses up nose, smooths hair down
 
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I don't suppose you know where to start looking to learn how to write custom firmware, do you? I don't even know if it's all written in the same language.

In most scenarios you shouldnt bother entertaining such thoughts. For numerous reasons including lack of sourcecode for the original firmware, lack of documentation, possible lack of hardware tools necessary for development. And the complexities of this sort of low-level programming. There are exceptions, but they are few and far between and tend to require a specific subset of reasonably advanced programming skills. Especially when it comes to corporate products as opposed to more homebrew type devices that might have been built on a more open DIY ecosystem in the first place. eg Linnstrument sourcecode is available, so I could modify that if I had the desire and time.
 
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