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Its on questionable legal ground to do anything to the runner of a tracker. All trackers do is manage who has what file. The bandwidth to a tracker isn't that high even with a lot of people connected. You'd probably find that the forum would have generated more traffic.

The law is very murky in this area.

Is it illegal to run a server software that supports the bittorrent client? It knows nothing about the files it tracks. It'd be very difficult to differentiate a bittorrent tracker from say a web server. Web servers share files. Trackers just share where information is located. Little difference between them.

On who onus is it to say what is and what isn't legal? The owner or the downloader?
 
i dont see it being the downloader its not like we get to see any copyright information and make an informed decsion that would require cd or case or something.

bas for torrentsi I belive valve use the proticals for thier steam downloading sype stuff so thats definatly not illegal. Also a few recored lbels and film sites use torrent as the transfer protocals. <edit>as do world of warcraft and lord of the rings online apparently. </edit>

dave
 
Pingu said:
not easily no.

your hard drive stores data magnetically and if its overwritten loads of times its harder to recover what was originally there.

it can be done using very specialised tools but if it can will depend on how the sectors have been overwritten, how many times they have been overwritten and over what period of time.

if you just delete a file the data is still there. all that has been deleted is a pointer in something called an allocation table that tells whenre the dta ais stored. How the cleaning tools work is to physically write random bits of data to the hard drive thus increasing the chance of overwriting the actual data you want to get rid of.

not foolproof and there are tools that can recover even data overwritten in this way (depending upon the cleaning tool used) but tbh unless you are flagged as some super user who they REALLY REALLY want to go after you shouldnt have anything to worry about.
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I fear the deadly alliance of Agent Smith and Simon Cowell of the Yard.

And if I go down, you slags are going down with me! :D

BTW, with regard to drive scrubber (whcih is probably a good to to use anyway) when it asks whether to erase the files at the end of the scrubbing process am i meant to say yes?
 
What on earth are the police doing raiding his employer and his father's addresses, other than attempting to derail his life?
 
kained&able said:
i dont see it being the downloader its not like we get to see any copyright information and make an informed decsion that would require cd or case or something.

dave
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can't see that holding much water if it came down to it. It's not like the files aren't labelled!
 
mauvais said:
What on earth are the police doing raiding his employer and his father's addresses, other than attempting to derail his life?
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I suspect he was doing a bit of site admin at work and at his Dads and the IP's were logged, dragging them into it too.
 
The IP's will have been logged by the investigators when they were deciding where the headquarters of this heinous international crime syndicate was based.
 
Thing is, doesn't matter that everyone but the authorities involved think it's bollocks. It's what the authorities think and they may decide, being largly british in this case, to make an example!

Curse my imagination!
 
Well, vague and inaccurate calculations on the visitor stats from whois suggest that the vast majority of users are based in the US (approx 50%) with 7% coming from the UK, which means approximately 12,600 users in the UK. Still far, far too many to be worried about yourself.

They'll only be going for Admins and *possibly* serious heavyweight users, the terabyte boys, serial advance uploaders and the like.

FFS, half of the people I downloaded are either dead or seriously out of contract. None of them included heavy chart acts like Justin or Kylie, who are the artists the big 4 want to protect. They couldn't give a toss about independent label acts.
 
wishface said:
Scaring the shit out of a worrywort like me (trust me i make dot cotton look sane) is easy results.
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And that's all they are trying to do with the publicity. You're going to hesitate before going onto another tracker, no?
 
dogmatique said:
Well, vague and inaccurate calculations on the visitor stats from whois suggest that the vast majority of users are based in the US (approx 50%) with 7% coming from the UK, which means approximately 12,600 users in the UK. Still far, far too many to be worried about yourself.

They'll only be going for Admins and *possibly* serious heavyweight users, the terabyte boys, serial advance uploaders and the like.

FFS, half of the people I downloaded are either dead or seriously out of contract. None of them included heavy chart acts like Justin or Kylie, who are the artists the big 4 want to protect. They couldn't give a toss about independent label acts.
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Good point, most users will obviously fall into that category. I have no idea how much mainstream stuff oink had, but do the authorities involved have the rights to speak on behalf of these other minor labels (that they otherwise don't give a hoot about normally)?
 
Sunray said:
Is it illegal to run a server software that supports the bittorrent client? It knows nothing about the files it tracks. It'd be very difficult to differentiate a bittorrent tracker from say a web server. Web servers share files. Trackers just share where information is located. Little difference between them.
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I'd hardly think so. BitTorrent is used for plenty of totally legit file sharing - distribution of some flavours of Linux, for example.

Sunray said:
On who onus is it to say what is and what isn't legal? The owner or the downloader?
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"Making available" is the definition that the RIAA have tried to pursue in the US. *Distribution* of copyright material without permission is usually the more serious offence in most countries, which requires an actual transfer of data and the onus is on the owner, in your terms.

If you mean the owner of Oink - the jury's out as the site was supplying links to files, not the actual files themselves. An Australian case last year set a precedent that people who provide links could be in the line of fire, which may carry some weight with English courts.

With BT, you're both downloading and supplying the files, though, which complicates things.
 
fuck fuck fuck. there were some great technical e-books that I needed to download from Oink. Oink was a great site :(

Would love a demonoid or torrentleech.org invite :)

Thanks

ps and will all the hysterical nerds please calm down. you're not even a blip on the prosecution radar. get a grip :rolleyes:
 
torrentleach have disabled all invites & registrations following the oink fiasco. Just been to their chat room and paranoia is rife. Any chat user who mentions oink is getting booted :D
 
This site has been closed as a result of a criminal investigation by IFPI, BPI,
Cleveland Police and the Fiscal Investigation Unit of the Dutch Police (FIOD ECD) into
suspected illegal music distribution.


A criminal investigation continues into the identities and activities of the site's
users
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:(
 
Structaural said:
I'd got in the habit of paying for albums I liked from itunes and then downloading a decent quality version from Oink. Not always, obviously.

I'll have to get to the record shops again.
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Funnily enough Oink started me buying CDs again, in order to get good quality versions of what they didn't have available. Looks like that trend will now have to continue.

I'm fucking distraught. Stunned. Lost for words. It's like a bereavement.
 
DG55 said:
Everyones so distraught that they cant steal music anymore? Please...
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hey ! Oink worked hard to create a fair and well organised system which worked very well. Theft or otherwise;the loss of good free music is always a monumental one.
 
Distraught that they can't access an unrivalled library of over 208,000 albums, many of which are unavailable due to being back catalogue and deleted due to the record companies not giving a toss about making them available.

That, and it being free, of course.
 
The problem for any court is that just because a file is labled Britiny Spears does not mean it actually is a Britiny Spears album. So for a criminal court, they would have to have the files you downloaded, just saying you did once wouldn't be good enough. Civil courts are much less stringent.

I'm not sure that running a tracker makes the person liable for distribution of whats on the tracker if the tracker is open to anyone.

cybertect said:
I'd hardly think so. BitTorrent is used for plenty of totally legit file sharing - distribution of some flavours of Linux, for example.



"Making available" is the definition that the RIAA have tried to pursue in the US. *Distribution* of copyright material without permission is usually the more serious offence in most countries, which requires an actual transfer of data and the onus is on the owner, in your terms.

If you mean the owner of Oink - the jury's out as the site was supplying links to files, not the actual files themselves. An Australian case last year set a precedent that people who provide links could be in the line of fire, which may carry some weight with English courts.

With BT, you're both downloading and supplying the files, though, which complicates things.
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Sunray said:
The problem for any court is that just because a file is labled Britiny Spears does not mean it actually is a Britiny Spears album. So for a criminal court, they would have to have the files you downloaded, just saying you did once wouldn't be good enough. Civil courts are much less stringent.

I'm not sure that running a tracker makes the person liable for distribution of whats on the tracker if the tracker is open to anyone.
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i doubt that would make a decent defence.

Where are the site's admins and mods in all this? What do they have to say regarding the security of their users? Do they care?
 
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