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Govt said:
He admitted that the technology necessary to track illegal file sharing would mean that "it is quite possible to know where it is happening and who it is happening with".

Well... If you encrypted the torrent, you'd know people are sharing, but not *what* they are sharing

Isps said:
He said: "However, ISPs cannot monitor or record the type of information passed over their network. ISPs are no more able to inspect and filter every single packet passing across their network than the Post Office is able to open every envelope."

Bollocks. ISP shape traffic as well, but see above... :rolleyes:
 
If I was plod I'd be straight around your house, wishface, given the paranoia you're showing on this thread!

Must have got quite a few, eh, wishface? ;)

:D
 
with my hard drive? It'd be like rifling through Delboy's reliant for bent jewellery.

Maybe you are plod!

Maybe you're ALL plod!

Yeah, that's it...
 
He means that the site didn't log your IP address when you were downloading torrent files. So your IP cannot be associated with a specific download
 
This is an excellent piece: http://www.negrophonic.com/

Oink had everything by certain artists. Literally, everything. I searched for ‘DJ Rupture’ and found every release I’d ever done, from an obscure 7″ on a Swedish label to 320kpbs rips of my first 12″, self-released back in 1999. It was shocking. And reassuring. The big labels want music to equal money, but as much as anything else, music is memory, as priceless and worthless as memory…
I'm really sad about the demise of OiNK, and not just because I'm a total cheapskate. There simply isn't an equivalent, legitimate or not.

I can't go on Amazon and say to them, I'd like you to hunt down this rare single that's been deleted, come back tomorrow, and probably have it there to download at the bitrate of my choice.

I can't go hunting for new music, build up a list of maybe 20 albums to try, find that I'm not keen on 15, but really like a handful of previously unknown artists who I'll buy everything from, because it costs me £200+ for those few good CDs.

I can't go to a local record shop and experiment, because the high street chains killed most of them off, and then half of those imploded themselves a la FOPP. The last good means of doing it that I know of was Vinyl Exchange in Manchester, and I don't live there any more.

Libraries are free, so I can discover good new books. How long must music stay expensive?
 
mauvais said:
Libraries are free, so I can discover good new books. How long must music stay expensive?

Most libraries have a music section where you take CDs out for a pittance... ;)
 
I think a valid point to be made is that there was nowhere and I mean *nowhere* on the internet that you could actually buy this stuff legally at the quality offered by Oink.

When the product offered by sites like itunes or wherever else is considerably lower quality and less comprehensive than somewhere that happens to be free, what did they expect would happen?

The record companies have had nearly a decade to come up with a delivery system that's acceptable to their consumers and they have failed again and again through paranoia, prevarication and mistrust of their consumers, who in turn have gone to "pirate" sites to get what they want.
 
I've tried to submit a petition. I suspect, given its serious tone and lack of time-wasting frivolity, it will be carefully considered and appear on the website shortly.

We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to remove the United Kingdom from the internet

We have been most pleased to see the recent well executed, entirely evidence based raids against BitTorrent file sharing websites in this country.

However it pains us to find that it is not only the evil people of Middlesbrough who wish to defraud our helpless multinational corporations, but a significant proportion of the Western world.

We are horrified to find that lucrative sites such as Google and MSN also offer links to all manner of illegal content, just like those we have already so bravely slain.

In the absence of a public appetite for war with America, we hereby demand that the Government again acts responsibly and in a carefully considered manner, and thus disconnects the United Kingdom from the abomination we call the Internet.
 
*signs*

I'd never used Oink, as i've only recently discovered torrents and piratebay. But now I'd like to know if there is anywhere nearly as good for tracking down elusive out of print recordings by independent artists, and if so, could anyone invite me by PM please.
 
editor said:
By "digitally free" do you mean that you think all music should be free to download by all for absolutely nothing?

yeah pretty much. all the best music is made by people who dont make a living from it full time anyway. we'll still pay to see them live, innit?
 
hopefully the crackdowns will mean music will become grassroots and there'll be enough free music available to render record label bands obsolete :) The bands would still be able to make some money from merchandising and live events but music will once again become a work of passion.
 
what files would this guy have had on his system? If there are no ip records kep t to trace users and the users themselves (which may include him of course) possess the actual music what can they do?
 
Just to help keep Wishface's paranoia levels up, here's a blog set up by one of Oink's admins with a Q&A from Alan Ellis (for he is Oink) last night, and here's an article from today's Telegraph were he tries to explain that Oink is just like Google...

Especially for Wishface:

OiNK> the logs we store aren't enough to inciminate users

;)
 
Looks like there's backups of the site out there as well. Wonder how long it'll take before another admin ups them elsewhere, if at all?
 
dogmatique said:
Looks like there's backups of the site out there as well. Wonder how long it'll take before another admin ups them elsewhere, if at all?

Historicaly it's been around a fortnight with most BT busts.
 
Interesting on that blog that there's a request for oink banner artwork files. Wonder what they want them for...?
 
dogmatique said:
Just to help keep Wishface's paranoia levels up, here's a blog set up by one of Oink's admins with a Q&A from Alan Ellis (for he is Oink) last night, and here's an article from today's Telegraph were he tries to explain that Oink is just like Google...

Especially for Wishface:



;)
yeah, i read that chatlog. I notice that blog page has been updated as well. But frankly given the guy was stupid enough to register the site with his name and given that (as has been dmonstreated) such info can be found very easily, my paranoia is as yet unabated.
 
wishface said:
But frankly given the guy was stupid enough to register the site with his name

Or alternatively, he realised that tying to hide his details from the authorites was futile, so is running with the "it's all legal, duh" defence - which will of course be better served if he hasn't acted like MI5.
 
dogmatique said:
Looks like there's backups of the site out there as well. Wonder how long it'll take before another admin ups them elsewhere, if at all?
what good would the backsup be, don't the users have the actual files?
 
ExtraRefined said:
Or alternatively, he realised that tying to hide his details from the authorites was futile, so is running with the "it's all legal, duh" defence - which will of course be better served if he hasn't acted like MI5.
anyone who thinks that defence is going to work better pray they are being prosecuted by the Stupid family.
 
wishface said:
anyone who thinks that defence is going to work better pray they are being prosecuted by the Stupid family.

But that defence should work. Why would you think it wouldn't?
 
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