Oink is no more

[Fez909]

Look at it this way - it's taken the police nearly 8 years to wade through the 7,000 or so UK residents caught out in Operation Ore - and they'd actually committed a pretty heinous crime.

The likelyhood of the police going anywhere near Oink users has got to be slim to none.

And they were all paedos who'd given their credit card details in payment for child porn. The situation with Oink is different, as you're donating to the upkeep of the server, and you don't receive anything illegal from the site owner in return.

 

[dogmatique]

The chap who ran TV-Links has already been released without charge pending "further investigation".

 

[Structaural]

You got there before me. I'd say he's done nothing illegal, either, but I'm not sure about the tracker status. Is it illegal to run a tracker which facilitates copyright theft?

Libraries with photocopyers do alright But I think they'd have to make a new law.

 

[wishface]

Fucking hell, would you calm down? You're at just about buggerall risk.

"iceberg? what iceberg?"

"i have in my hands a piece of paper"

"I love beef, me"

 

[Rogue]

indietorrents


anyone know what this site is all about? It looks kind of similar Oink and is invite only.

 

[wishface]

well then the risk is tiny and the oink guy will probably get off on a technicality as he was doing nothing illegal really. They've raided Pirate Bay numerous times, Demonoid three or four times and they're all back and no-one has been prosecuted for bitorrent sharing so far - only kazaar.

what happened with kazaar?

 

[dogmatique]

And they were all paedos who'd given their credit card details in payment for child porn. The situation with Oink is different, as you're donating to the upkeep of the server, and you don't receive anything illegal from the site owner in return.

Plus copyright infringement is a civil matter not a criminal one innit? The labels would have to come after you themselves.

 

[Fez909]

sounds great, but surely if it's as easy as it sounds then it must be equally easy to get around.

Not really.

Imagine a piece of paper with some incriminating evidence on, that you've written. For whatever reason, you can't destroy the paper in the 'normal' ways. Doing what is mentioned here would be the equivelent of painting over the paper in one colour, then another, then back in the first colour, etc., etc., until it's almost impossible to recognise what is under all that paint.

You could get some really expensive equipment to look under the layers of paint, but it would be time consuming, expensive and difficult. The same sort of thing applies with computer phorensics.

 

[wishface]

Look at it this way - it's taken the police nearly 8 years to wade through the 7,000 or so UK residents caught out in Operation Ore - and they'd actually committed a pretty heinous crime.

The likelyhood of the police going anywhere near Oink users has got to be slim to none.

Even sending out settlement notices from FACT or similar to users would take a hell of a lot of time and effort.

Agreed, but i worry because some targets are easier than others. Scaring the shit out of a worrywort like me (trust me i make dot cotton look sane) is easy results.

 

[butchersapron]

"iceberg? what iceberg?"

"i have in my hands a piece of paper"

"I love beef, me"

It's nearly the year 1000 - we're all going to die!

 

[Fez909]

Plus copyright infringement is a civil matter not a criminal one innit? The labels would have to come after you themselves.

Well, the BPI were working with the police, so it depends on how far that help extends, I suppose?

 

[wishface]

Maybe he's gonna go with the "I've done nothing wrong, all I did was host links" argument.

not quite the same as oink though is it.

 

[Structaural]

what happened with kazaar?

Plenty of yanks have been prosecuted who use kazaar as it's a lot easier to prove upload and find users.
Bitorrent is a lot harder to track - but if this Oink guy has kept badly managed records then it's only the users of bitorrent who can really be prosecuted rather than the tracker site, but I'm just worrying you really

 

[wishface]

Well, the BPI were working with the police, so it depends on how far that help extends, I suppose?

because god knows the police have enough spare time to go after easy targets like this than real criminals who you know hurt people!

 

[wishface]

Plenty of yanks have been prosecuted who use kazaar as it's a lot easier to prove upload and find users.
Bitorrent is a lot harder to track - but if this Oink guy has kept badly managed records then it's only the users of bitorrent who can really be prosecuted rather than the tracker site, but I'm just worrying you really

anyone in the UK ever get prosecuted using Kazaa?

 

[Fez909]

not quite the same as oink though is it.

I was describing Oink when I said that. Admittedly, I've never used it. But it's a tracker site, yes? A collection of links only.

 

[wishface]

I was describing Oink when I said that. Admittedly, I've never used it. But it's a tracker site, yes? A collection of links only.

the site may be, but the people who use those links...well that's anothe rmatter innit!

 

[Structaural]

anyone in the UK ever get prosecuted using Kazaa?

Not many, I don't think the police really give a fuck, it's usually down to the record companies and their minions to gather evidence.

Downloading is killing home taping!!

 

[wishface]

Not many, I don't think the police really give a fuck, it's usually down to the record companies and their minions to gather evidence.

Downloading is killing home taping!!

Individual cops probably don't, but they aren't mazillionaires like Simon Cowell and god knows people who use Oink are actually killing Leona Lewis right now!

She's just being drained of life!

 

[cliche guevara]

Sorry to sound ignorant, but what exactly was Oink? Just a members only torrent sharing site like demonoid? Or somehow different? Why/how was it any better?

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

The range of music available was second only to soulseek, except it was much easier to use than soulseek because there were guaranteed people around to dl from all the time (unlike with soulseek, where people can just turn off at any time and then you're never sure when they'll be back).

 

[wishface]

when was the last time aq site like demonoid was raided and how come they didn't get into trouble like this?

also what records do these sites keep? Not much point deleting stuff if they have an archive that says you downloaded these files and when i woudl think!

 

[Ned Pointsman]

HAH.

Be sure to use the 'right client' in court you innumerate stalinist fuckface.

 

[butchersapron]

HAH.

Be sure to use the 'right client' in court you innumerate stalinist fuckface.

OK

 

[Pingu]

sounds great, but surely if it's as easy as it sounds then it must be equally easy to get around.

not easily no.

your hard drive stores data magnetically and if its overwritten loads of times its harder to recover what was originally there.

it can be done using very specialised tools but if it can will depend on how the sectors have been overwritten, how many times they have been overwritten and over what period of time.

if you just delete a file the data is still there. all that has been deleted is a pointer in something called an allocation table that tells whenre the dta ais stored. How the cleaning tools work is to physically write random bits of data to the hard drive thus increasing the chance of overwriting the actual data you want to get rid of.

not foolproof and there are tools that can recover even data overwritten in this way (depending upon the cleaning tool used) but tbh unless you are flagged as some super user who they REALLY REALLY want to go after you shouldnt have anything to worry about.

 

[gabi]

How was it 'lucrative' as described in the bbc story?

 

[subversplat]

How was it 'lucrative' as described in the bbc story?

Probably a front for people trafficking, imo.

 

[agentred]

wishface: if you get busted i'll start a fund. happy?

 

[dogmatique]

How was it 'lucrative' as described in the bbc story?

It wasn't. The donations went to running the server and bandwidth costs, which were considerable.

The Beeb were just quoting the press release verbatim.

If you look at some of the reports, which are all re-hashes of the IFPI release, they state that he was earning "hundreds of thousands" from the site, which is patently ridiculous. If he was earning so much, why was he still working and living in a flat in Middlesborough FFS?

 

[cybertect]

Any coincidence between this round of copyright busts [tv-links yesterday, Oink today] in the UK and the fact that Part III of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act came into force on October 1st?