a vigil and picket is taking place outside the ukrainian embassy in london ongoing
odessa massacre
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A pregnant woman tortured and then killed many youths and women killed possibly as many as 150
Then the survivors arrested. Christian groups trade unionists squaters just ordinary people massacred in way not seen in europe since ww2.
The fascists gloated about so much the whole world can see what they did on facebook.
please go to global research or rt or stop nato for good links
Then the survivors arrested. Christian groups trade unionists squaters just ordinary people massacred in way not seen in europe since ww2.
The fascists gloated about so much the whole world can see what they did on facebook.
please go to global research or rt or stop nato for good links
goldenecitrone
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Must have been the hormones. Shocking.
DairyQueen
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join the conversation in the Ukrainian thread... post up your links there...
SovietArmy
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I don't even know how we can do it as all world to stop this. Is pain and more pain will come if we just sit on computer to debate and fascist go further to do nasty crimes. So sad to see is happening, I wish we could do something about that but I have no idea what we can do.
DairyQueen
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The problem that you have is that very few people in the west really cares about Russians dying in Ukraine. The general perception is that they should all move to Russia (I know how fucked that sounds).
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education is needed then. The ukrainians are russians as are the belorussians . The proper name for these people is eastern slavonic people.The ukrainian name was liitle russia because it was asmaller area than great russia another name was nova or new russia. belarus or white russia was a slishtly different form of russian as well.
The name ukraine stems from the Germans who tried to set up a puppet regime in kiev in 1918 it didnt last long. Its funny how history repeats itself as in 1918 the rada in keiv robbed the local ruthenian population the same way the IMF is trying to do now;
in anutshell the imperial west has been trying with occasional sucesses to seduce thr rutherainain(russian)people of south russia into rebeling against moscow for sometime.
However as the second world war showed the western imperial powers dont really give a shit about the ukrainins and the vast majority fought against the germans and suffered even more per ratio casulties than the northern russians as even more war was plated out in the ukraine as if that could be possilblr.
Apart from that is a small number in the very west of the ukraine who are known as the banderists after a chappie called bandera who in actualy was catholic and not ortodox and from romainan ausrtian ancestry. So quite ironic really that the most natonalist ukrainians are the least ukrainian as they come from the area otf the ukraine that was once ruled by the poles and the hungarians.
yaksenuk the present twat in kiev is in fact himself from transcarpathia with is in fact romainian.
so quite confusing relly.Also the people of the donbas have lived their for centuries it has always been russain peolple and not ukraianians living thier as in cimea or indeed odessa which is a russain city fouded by catherin the great,
T he soviets never imagined the soviet union breaking up so no real great importance was put on borders and places like crimea could be governed more easy from the south.SO the ukrainians have been fed lies such as what happened in the 1930s was the fault of thier northern brothers but there was also a great famine in southern russia kazakstan and all over cenral asia the same year.
They were seduced into thinking the eu would give them a better life.a nd as the greeks could have told them it was not going to happen. Infacy russian has kept the ukraine a float in the last 20 years with cheap energy the imf and jimmy savilles little mates their wont give them anythindg apart from war and disorder and misery.
The name ukraine stems from the Germans who tried to set up a puppet regime in kiev in 1918 it didnt last long. Its funny how history repeats itself as in 1918 the rada in keiv robbed the local ruthenian population the same way the IMF is trying to do now;
in anutshell the imperial west has been trying with occasional sucesses to seduce thr rutherainain(russian)people of south russia into rebeling against moscow for sometime.
However as the second world war showed the western imperial powers dont really give a shit about the ukrainins and the vast majority fought against the germans and suffered even more per ratio casulties than the northern russians as even more war was plated out in the ukraine as if that could be possilblr.
Apart from that is a small number in the very west of the ukraine who are known as the banderists after a chappie called bandera who in actualy was catholic and not ortodox and from romainan ausrtian ancestry. So quite ironic really that the most natonalist ukrainians are the least ukrainian as they come from the area otf the ukraine that was once ruled by the poles and the hungarians.
yaksenuk the present twat in kiev is in fact himself from transcarpathia with is in fact romainian.
so quite confusing relly.Also the people of the donbas have lived their for centuries it has always been russain peolple and not ukraianians living thier as in cimea or indeed odessa which is a russain city fouded by catherin the great,
T he soviets never imagined the soviet union breaking up so no real great importance was put on borders and places like crimea could be governed more easy from the south.SO the ukrainians have been fed lies such as what happened in the 1930s was the fault of thier northern brothers but there was also a great famine in southern russia kazakstan and all over cenral asia the same year.
They were seduced into thinking the eu would give them a better life.a nd as the greeks could have told them it was not going to happen. Infacy russian has kept the ukraine a float in the last 20 years with cheap energy the imf and jimmy savilles little mates their wont give them anythindg apart from war and disorder and misery.
Manter
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oh dear. You're really not going to advance your cause by denying Ukrainians exist. I have a Ukrainian grandmother, she's not a 'little Russian'.
The deaths are horrendous, but I am tempted to dismiss you completely as you are clearly the worst sort of Russian nationalist.
educate yourself my grandmother is also ukrainian it was known as little russia or nova rus dont be fooled into all this nationalist nonsense
ukrainians and russians same people
SovietArmy
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Well Ukrainian lived for past many years into Russian culture shadows and seems was ok for long time util Soviet Union split up. I went in Ukraine 20 years ago, I did not felt at all as nationalist country as we can see now. Shame I should put blame on USA as always their make fight between workers no matter what nationality. You know what USA don't give dam about Ukraine. In Ukraine is plenty of corn fields so Americans can eat even more cheaply but what cost. Workers as always pay the heavy prices and died for no reasons.
Manter
Lunch Mob
I studied Soviet nationalities policy for my MA. I am part Ukrainian. I think I probably know quite a lot about it.
Different names have been used for different parts of Europe over the centuries. You might want to check when the name great Russia was used. Y'know, dates and stuff. Complicated number-y things that denote the passing of time and events? If your case is that dates don't matter, let's go back. Oh, I see, Rus was overrun by Mongols and became a tribute area of the Golden Horde. So I expect Russia to surrender to the Chinese forthwith, it clearly doesn't exist
Also, FYI anyone who says 'educate yourself' may was well hold up a big flashing sign that says 'cunt'
The ukraine had never been a seperate country like belarus until the collaspe of the soviet union
The ukrainians voted for thier own state partly because yeltzin had sold out to the imf and the ukrainian didnt want to be lumbered with crippling loan repayment.so things have turned around and now its ukraine in the imf.
The ukrainians voted for thier own state partly because yeltzin had sold out to the imf and the ukrainian didnt want to be lumbered with crippling loan repayment.so things have turned around and now its ukraine in the imf.
SovietArmy
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Sorry little wrong typing I did not lived in Ukraine I visited few times.
Manter
Lunch Mob
Soviet nationalities policy was designed to remove Ukrainian national identity. The language was banned, their poets and historians were killed, there was a policy of assimilation. That's not an emotive statement, its just fact. Ukrainian nationalism didn't start in 1918 (despite what idiot chops in the OP maintains) and it has taken many different forms over the years. There is an unpleasant fascist tinge to parts of it at the moment, and rampant corruption, but that doesn't mean Ukrainains don't exist
At the start of the 20th century most masps show ukraine as little russia and russia as great russia refering to the size of the land area
SovietArmy
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In my times as Breznev's time Ukrainian languages was at schools, lot of Ukrainian poets, artist singers as famous all over Soviet Union. Ah there are many right wingers at the Stalin times yes it was state as enemies.
SovietArmy
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There aren't enough face palms in the world. 'most masps'??!! Way to go citing your historical sources there. And way to demonstrate understanding of historical and contemporary geography.
But what do I know? Half Irish, Half Ukrainian, by your logic I don't exist
You do exist of course as myself half Polish, Bielorussian and Lithuanian and I am here.
DairyQueen
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Manter - one problem I have is that the communist states policy on nationalism actually proved somewhat prophetic. The general Soviet (and Yugoslav) doctrine was "It may well be shit, but if we allow nationalism to take root, we will be in a perpetual state of war". While it might be argued that the Balkans is finally getting some closure, the area (and Bosnia in particular) is still highly fragmented. For Ukraine, a policy of Russian ostracism is almost suicidal considering its borders, etc.
the oppression by polish austrian goverments and zionists over ruthenian people has been going on for a long time. You may a done some silly uni course idiot chops but is doesnt sound to me like you have spent much time in the ukraine. But no time forpetty insults. The point being tommorow we commemerate the dead of the second world war and the defeat of the fascists.
While unbeliveably the fash are on the march again all over europe.
In odessa unspeakable things have just taken place.
Its time to make a stand.
While unbeliveably the fash are on the march again all over europe.
In odessa unspeakable things have just taken place.
Its time to make a stand.
Manter
Lunch Mob
All people murdered by Stalin were right wing enemies of the state? Not what I studied. Not even what most rabidly communist Russians think these days. 'Regretable excesses' is I believe the current terminology.
The history of Ukrainian language and culture is complex. For example, in recent history, there was Russification under Lenin, full scale suppression under Stalin with IIRC 2 periods of ukrainianisation when he needed support during WW2, a thaw under Krushchev's early administration, positive promotion of the development of Ukrainian in the early Breshnev period, then a long decline and suppression of the language again that only let up under glasnost in 1985 ish. So
Manter
Lunch Mob
that was aimed at the OP. You may find you only partly exist by his logic- lithuanian and Belorussian can also be traced back to the development of pan slavic languages in the era of Kievan Rus- so you're a russian after all.
Manter
Lunch Mob
But you've made yourself completely incredible and ignorable by attacking a) the right of Ukraine to exist b) the existence of Ukrainians
If I spent more time there would I become convinced it didn't exist? As it happens I've lived there, as part of my 'silly little course'
Though christ knows why I'm defending myself to a semi literate nutter on the internet.
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SovietArmy
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What you mean Russiafication, it was Soviet Union we have to communicate some one language and I am proud of I can speak fluently in Russian. Well world now speaking English is that wrong as well? I don't thinks so.
what alot of people dont realise in the west is that ukrainians are rus they are the heart of rus the original historic heart of rus. I m not saying ukraine does not exist of cause it does its the biggest country outside russia in europe. What im saying is that as a seperate country to russia it had never been seperate before the end of the soviet.
well if you have lived their whish i doubt speak some ukrainian
It seems to be now though, despite ur recent efforts
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