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[SpineyNorman]

talking about arses again gay boy

Look, if you're really good and stop the antisemitism we'll let you come to one of our gay lemonparties. You're not going to get in by throwing a strop and trying to upset people.

 

[spartacuslove]

It's the old "he doth protest too much" vibe that gives him away, innit?

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[SpineyNorman]

this is one of your antifascists by the way sunny jim

 

[SpineyNorman]

middle aged bedroom boys tommy tanking over lady ga ga get to fuck

You've already done that one - can't you come up with some new material?

 

[spartacuslove]

guys its friday night get out to the pub and try and find yourselves a girlfriend all this homo stuff is not really you

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I think things have reached a natural close.

 

[seventh bullet]

So, there was no fear of Russian nationalism (a la Tito and the Serbs)? I always associated the liquidation of the Cossacks as an attack on traditional Russian identities.

I don't quite understand what you're getting at.

 

[DairyQueen]

Yugoslavia always feared Serbian nationalism, and as such a lot of Tito's policies were aimed at neutralising that threat. For Russia, I imagine there may have been a similar fear whereby Russian nationalism could tear apart the USSR, this might be evidenced in the persecution of the cossacks who had a big role in expanding Russia's boundaries.

 

[seventh bullet]

Harsh treatment against Coassacks by the central Russian-dominated authorities in the early 20s in the Caucasus? I still don't know what you're getting at, particularly when talking about the nationalities policy of the USSR in the first two decades after the revolution. The attempt to put an end to Great Russian chauvinism in its old imperial form and prevent separatist nationalisms from taking shape in the the former Russian Empire?

 

[DairyQueen]

The attempt to put an end to Great Russian chauvinism in its old imperial form and prevent separatist nationalisms from taking shape in the the former Russian Empire?

I guess that is what I was asking. Whether Russian nationalism was ever deemed the major threat by Soviet policy makers, much in the same way Tito identified Serbian as the biggest threat to Yugoslavian unity.

 

[frogwoman]

I thought Tito took an equally dim view of Croatian nationalism?

 

[seventh bullet]

I guess that is what I was asking. Whether Russian nationalism was ever deemed the major threat by Soviet policy makers, much in the same way Tito identified Serbian as the biggest threat to Yugoslavian unity.

Short answer: Yes, for a time. I've already posted about this at length on the Ukraine thread.

 

[seventh bullet]

Would be interested in your view on the resurgence of nationalism across the ex Soviet Union. More than nationalism really, tribalism. Any idea why it has taken off with such force? I mean I know the Soviet Union vacillated between suppression and promotion (within limits) of national identities, I know the internal boundaries changed creating little groups of people who identify themselves with very local national causes, I know most of the countries that succeeded had artificial boundaries and make limited historical sense, but it does seem to have taken off with quite terrifying virulence.

I don't know enough about the post-Soviet nationalisms of other states in Europe and Asia other than in Russia itself (with its myriad republics and regions, itself a legacy of old nationalities policy) to give you a good answer. My interest has mainly been focused on the Soviet experience and the system called socialism that emerged after the civil war and Lenin. I don't see Stalinism in this context as perverse or cynical. To them, nationalism was a necessary 'stage' before the realisation of a unified world, and beyond the borders of the USSR. How that was defined, and the actual experience of it being encouraged in some forms but attacked in others seems overly-complex and contradictory, but there was a thread running through it all, a consistency to it.

 

[DairyQueen]

I thought Tito took an equally dim view of Croatian nationalism?

I think all nationalisms were a threat, but were Croats ever forcibly displaced as a result of Yugoslav internal policies?

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

The great unanswered question of this thread is what is a gay lemon party?

 

[J Ed]

The great unanswered question of this thread is what is a gay lemon party?

A game of bingo gone horribly wrong...

 

[DotCommunist]

I don't like the thought of citric acid near the family jewels

 

[SpineyNorman]

The great unanswered question of this thread is what is a gay lemon party?

here

or you can google lemonparty.org but do NOT do that while at work or in the presence of small children, anyone easily shocked or, for that matter, any kind of decent company at all.