Jeff Robinson
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Ska caused the violence against property. He should be waterboarded.
NUS national protest against the cuts 10.11.10 [London]
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ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
The most pathetic bit being that, in trying to build an argument that it was seasoned anarchists plotting a riot on the web, the best they can come up with is a third party comment "here's hoping the students really kick off this time" from a thread full of people bemoaning how weak student politics are these days and expecting no action from them.
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bummed by karmachameleon
To be fair thats one of the lamest riots I have ever seen, deaths = 0, police killed = 0, tanks = 0, gunshot wounds = 0, policeman with a dribbly nose = 1, smashed window = 1. This is marks and spencer type rioting, i want to see fucking pound stretcher type riots with poor kids and druggies burning cars and raiding banks and hurling petrol bombs and whores and mutants joining the students and another thing the riot should last at leat 5 days, not 20 mins before heading back to halls for hollyoaks, pot noodles and watered down beer.
As I have repeatedly posted previously, there have been lots of police officers who have simply been hanging on for their pensions for years. That is getting worse and worse. They are switching off earlier (the record I have met was with eight years service and already bemoaning the fact he had 22 to do before financial common sense allowed him to get out ...
) and there are more of them. They are a potential source of problems though most simply disappear at every opportunity and do as little as possible (which has it's own downside). There is definitely major concern amongst police officers (and even more amongst PCSOs and members of police staff (the confusing title for civilian members of staff ...)) for their jobs, terms and conditions and pension rights (for which they pay 11% of their salary).
fractionMan
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Sky journalists are cunts.
Quote that one you fucks.
Quote that one you fucks.
revol68
what, fucking what?
early days, these kind of things are infectious, lets hope it spreads.
also don't knock pot noddles and hollyoaks they represent a universality between students and the unemployed that will be necessary to oppose the cuts.
revol68
what, fucking what?
As I have repeatedly posted previously, there have been lots of police officers who have simply been hanging on for their pensions for years. That is getting worse and worse. They are switching off earlier (the record I have met was with eight years service and already bemoaning the fact he had 22 to do before financial common sense allowed him to get out ...
The sad thing is that these "bad cops" actually have more of a fucking clue about how the system works than a naive fuckwit like yourself who imagines the cops are out there to make society better, the old timers are jaded and cynical and are just looking out for themselves, you on the otherhand are an ideological mouthpiece for the cops and the system they are paid to uphold.
I was referring to that too, as well as what happened yesterday.
Maybe it's because I work in a quango, drink in an "old man's pub" and shop at the market I am hearing the voice of the people who are or will be directly affected by the cuts. But there is a very strange atmosphere here (West Yorks) and even the people I work with (who actually have money) can see through the bullshit.
revol68
what, fucking what?
I have to agree.
In Northern Ireland the public sector cuts are going to be literally devastating, it is by far the biggest employer and a lot of people know they have a high chance of joining the dole queue.
One of which is absolutely relevant in this case - s.68 Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 (as amended by s.59 Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003) : aggravated trespass where trespass on land is intended to intimidate people in lawful activity or to disrupt that lawful activity). This would certainly apply to the privately owned land around and under the building. Not sure without researching it if it would include being inside the buildings themselves (or if "inside" becomes part of "outside" if, as here, all the plate glass seperating it has been knocked out!). Regardless of that there are ample means of removing people rampaging through buildings doing / threatening damage, etc.
revol68
what, fucking what?
No one gives a fuck you Capo bastard, the laws are self serving bullshit for the ruling class, wake up.
fractionMan
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Criminal justice act. Another steaming pile of shit right there.
'I was referring to that too, as well as what happened yesterday.
Maybe it's because I work in a quango, drink in an "old man's pub" and shop at the market I am hearing the voice of the people who are or will be directly affected by the cuts. But there is a very strange atmosphere here (West Yorks) and even the people I work with (who actually have money) can see through the bullshit.'
thats my point, these people's voice is not being heard
Maybe it's because I work in a quango, drink in an "old man's pub" and shop at the market I am hearing the voice of the people who are or will be directly affected by the cuts. But there is a very strange atmosphere here (West Yorks) and even the people I work with (who actually have money) can see through the bullshit.'
thats my point, these people's voice is not being heard
So there is a minority of Anarchists and Socialist behind this violence?
fractionMan
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what violence?
revol68
what, fucking what?
No there is a minority of explicit socialists and anarchists who most likely also took part in the "violence" (violence isn't property destruction you fuckwit).
Also being a student or education worker or infact anyone concerned about the effect of these cuts on the working class is not mutually exclusive from being an anarchist or a socialist.
Are you autistic or something?
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
I don't think that was his point though.
They are though.
Maybe not in the media, but in the workplace,the schools, shops and the pubs. The people are scared and angry and they can see through the bullshit. You live in South Yorks right? You should be able to see the same thing that I am in Leeds, Halifax and Huddersfield.
Indeed they don't. Which is why there will be a detailed investigation, gathering together all sources of information and trying to trace people identified as having a specific role in a particular significant part of the overall incident - perhaps a particular assault, theft or incident of serious damage - and then tracking them through all the other footage until they are found in a nice full-face shot from which they can be identified. Which, in the case of the stylishly dressed is not going to be particularly difficult ...
Personally I don't think there should be a major reactive investigation here - yes there have definitely been some serious criminal offences which merit enquiries to trace principal offenders and put them before the courts (and perhaps some effort to idenitify agitators if any such did exist and stir things up from the initial burning of placards and pushing and shoving (which continued for good thirty or forty minutes at the time I posted on the day) ... but in the big scheme of things not many that are worth that degree of effort.
Sadly the comments by the Commissioner (especially his saying it was an "embarassment" for the Met) and the schizophrenic media coverage (now slagging the police off for not being robust enough having spent the G20 aftermath slagging them off for being too robust ...) suggest that this will not be the case and there will be a massive investigation.
fractionMan
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some people love to be hated eh?
You sound like a 16 year old kid. Detective-boy is the sort of person you want in your police, someone who is prepared to actualy has an understanding of the law and is prepared to explain it to people on a forum.
revol68
what, fucking what?
fuck off you ehtically challenged cunt, you have the heart and soul of a fucking legal text book, you are a disgusting human being.
at the risk of invoking Goodwin's laugh you are exactly the sort of cunt whose response to the Holocaust would be to make sure it it was done in a legal manner.
There's a class war being waged right now that everyone can see and you're spouting legalese bullshit, the language of the elites who are shamelessly using the financial crisis to attack the most vulnerable and poor in society.
Isn't it about time you develop a semblance of a fucking mind and made an actual decision about what is right and wrong rather than what is legal?
revol68
what, fucking what?
No I sound like someone who has a fucking clue how the real world works and how the government isn't some neutral if slightly flawed institution for all our benefit.
Have you ever been on the dole for any significant amount of time, ever had to do the double or any other small time fiddle in order to pay the electric and get groceries?
By the way you discuss shit on here I doubt you even know anyone who has.
Frankie Jack
Not a bloke..
600 in control.. 60.000.000 of us.. fucks sake..
revol68
what, fucking what?
aye pity there are too many detective boys and moon23 wankers in that 60million.
'inside' does now come under aggravated trespass. Those on the roof wouldn't/shouldn't be charged with aggravated trespass. Apart from the guy who threw the fire extinguisher. He should be executed with death, obviously.
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