New Crossrail / Elizabeth line tube map released

[Slo-mo]

Someone should make stickers that say ‘Crossrail’ in the same size and font as TFL use on the wall mounted tube maps. Stick them all over.

I hope this isn't going to become an English equivalent of the Derry/Londonderry name dispute

 

[paolo]

I hope this isn't going to become an English equivalent of the Derry/Londonderry name dispute

Always Derry. Same argument. It’s the original name and also it’s not clunky.

 

[Crispy]

I agree it should be called Crossrail without "Line" on the end, but Hammersmith and City and Metropolitan have even more syllables than Elizabeth (Piccadilly is a tie) and and everybody copes just fine.

 

[paolo]

I agree it should be called Crossrail without "Line" on the end, but Hammersmith and City and Metropolitan have even more syllables than Elizabeth (Piccadilly is a tie) and and everybody copes just fine.

You’re meant to agree unequivocally.

*goes off in a huff*

 

[Slo-mo]

Regardless of who it is actually named after, I actually quite like the name 'Elizabeth line'. I find it trips off my tongue just fine.

 

[Crispy]

Nicknames are fine too "Vicky Line" "The Met" "Lizzie Line"

 

[maomao]

I agree it should be called Crossrail without "Line" on the end, but Hammersmith and City and Metropolitan have even more syllables than Elizabeth (Piccadilly is a tie) and and everybody copes just fine.

Syllables are defunct in modern phonology. It's all about skeletal beats. 'Elizabeth Line' has one more than 'Picadilly Line'. To oversimplify there's a null (silent) vowel between the 'th' and the 'l'. You can prove it by tapping your finger along when you say them.

 

[Slo-mo]

Sure, but it's hardly the end of the world is it?

If you object to the name on the grounds you oppose the monarchy, then fine, but don't hide behind skeletal beats or syllables or anything like that.

 

[existentialist]

If the forum for these debates had existed when previous Tube lines had been named, I imagine that the same discussions would have ensued, whether or not they were named after monarchs, or whatever.

 

[Teaboy]

I agree it should be called Crossrail without "Line" on the end, but Hammersmith and City and Metropolitan have even more syllables than Elizabeth (Piccadilly is a tie) and and everybody copes just fine.

Yes but we just call the Hammersmith and City line 'the pink one' and no one uses the metropolitan apart from weirdos who in live in Chorleywood so it doesn't matter.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

If the forum for these debates had existed when previous Tube lines had been named...

They did, went by the names of The Red Lion, Royal Oak and so on...

 

[stavros]

Nicknames are fine too "Vicky Line" "The Met" "Lizzie Line"

"I'm going for a ride on Brenda."

 

[paolo]

Nicknames are fine too "Vicky Line" "The Met" "Lizzie Line"

Also, internally at least, the Picadilly is the ‘Pic’

 

[tim]

This will *always* be Crossrail to me.

It’s not The Underground, in the same way as the RER in Paris is not the Metro.

The metro is more like an underground tram network.It is slow and has closely spaced stops: a kind of subteraenean DLR. The RER runs out into the the far reaches of Greater Paris, just like the tube does. Crossrail is like a London equivalent of the RER.

 

[paolo]

And if, eventually, we have say Crossrail 2 and 3, the naming would emphasise the difference to people unfamiliar to the system... without having to quantify it from a map. e.g. Just seeing external station signage, hearing it in conversation or reading. The distinction would be obvious in any scenario.

Still, Boris’ Brown nosing on Crossrail 1 is irreversible now. I’ll be forever be a militant.

 

[agricola]

The metro is more like an underground tram network.It is slow and has closely spaced stops: a kind of subteraenean DLR. The RER runs out into the the far reaches of Greater Paris, just like the tube does. Crossrail is like a London equivalent of the RER.

Sadly they won't be double-decker trains though.

 

[maomao]

They seem to be running a lot more of the new trains now. There were three in a row on TFL rail this evening. And four or five out and visible at Ilford depot. They do hold more people but they have a lot less seats and more sideways seats than the old trains. Designed for rush hour games of sardines.

 

[scifisam]

Sadly they won't be double-decker trains though.

The way the French do them they're extremely difficult (to say the least) for people with disabilities so I'm glad about it.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Crossrail to be delayed, instead of December 2018, now pushed back to autumn 2019, which is the time of year that leaves fall from trees...

 

[Mrs D]

Crossrail to be delayed, instead of December 2018, now pushed back to autumn 2019, which is the time of year that leaves fall from trees...

Circle line and change at bloody Paddington again for next years holiday then. I thought that was all behind me.

 

[Crispy]

So they haven't decided the fares yet. In fairness to Bungle upthread, if they do make this line more expensive than normal tube journeys within the same zones, that will be a decent reason not to think of it as the tube. 'The fast route for rich city types' instead.

It will be more expensive - by £7, but the £12.5 daily cap still applies, so if you PAYG into London from Heathrow and then travel around the city a bit more, it won't make any difference.

EDIT: to clarify, that's just for Heathrow journeys. Everything else in Z1-6 is the same as every other line.

Crossrail to be delayed, instead of December 2018, now pushed back to autumn 2019, which is the time of year that leaves fall from trees...

I was expecting a delay, but 9 months?! Bloody hell.

 

[Mrs D]

It should be more expensive for regular commuters otherwise it will be as packed as the central line at peak times but with added luggage everywhere.

 

[Favelado]

Will it be more expensive on the monthly ticket? Will it be like a ZONE 1-3 plus Crossrail option?

 

[Teaboy]

Crossrail to be delayed, instead of December 2018, now pushed back to autumn 2019, which is the time of year that leaves fall from trees...

We've done a fair amount of work for Crossrail. They were telling us 3 years ago they were behind and it would have to be delayed.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Not sure why anyone should be surprised that a major infrastructure project is delayed, isn't it the norm in this country?

 

[Crispy]

Will it be more expensive on the monthly ticket? Will it be like a ZONE 1-3 plus Crossrail option?

In Zone 1-6 it will be on exactly the same fare structure as the tube. So if you commute in from outside the zones, your monthly railcard + Z1-3 will include Elizabeth Line jounrneys in Z1-3.

Pricing for out-of-zones Elizabeth Line journeys/travelcards (eg Maidenhead, Reading) has not been announced yet.

 

[skyscraper101]

Pricing for out-of-zones Elizabeth Line journeys/travelcards (eg Maidenhead, Reading) has not been announced yet.

If the price is the same as a normal train from reading to Paddington, there'd be little point using it if you want to get straight to London in normal hours. If it runs 24 hours then I can see some point to it.

 

[Crispy]

If the price is the same as a normal train from reading to Paddington, there'd be little point using it if you want to get straight to London in normal hours. If it runs 24 hours then I can see some point to it.

Especially seeing as the trains don't have toilets.

 

[Teaboy]

Not sure why anyone should be surprised that a major infrastructure project is delayed, isn't it the norm in this country?

A while ago (Wembley being the best example) but recently we've had a decent record of bringing in major projects roughly in-line with cost and timetable. Crossrail though is something else, its a quite extraordinary project where a lot of experience has had to be gained on the job quite simply because nothing has really been done with this complexity before.

Still, could be worse. If you fancy a giggle check out how the uber efficient engineering masters in Germany are getting on with their new airport in Berlin.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Still, could be worse. If you fancy a giggle check out how the uber efficient engineering masters in Germany are getting on with their new airport in Berlin.

Berlin’s much-delayed new airport will open in October 2020, the airport’s CEO said on Friday, almost a decade after a 2012 opening was called off with weeks to spare.

A planned opening in June 2012 was called off with just three weeks’ notice, leaving airlines scrambling to reorganise operations, and a series of tentative opening dates since then have come and gone, as have several CEOs.

Berlin's new airport to finally open in October 2020

Blimey, 3 weeks notice.

ETA:

Adding to its woes, the new airport will be too small when it opens. Tegel and Schoenefeld served 33 million passengers last year, but the new hub is set for an initial capacity of 27 million.

Tegel, which is running at full capacity, is due to close once the new airport opens, but Berliners voted to keep it open in a non-binding referendum in September, posing a further headache for the state owners.