Naomi of Brixton, RIP

[quimcunx]

The fact that he was stopped at the lights then proceeded to drive straight over the woman from a standstill and drag her 20metres removes any sympathy I might have felt for the driver. He can't possibly claim it was in any way accidental. Allegedly of course.

I don't think you can claim any of this as fact. What you have is reports and speculation and until we know a few more 'facts' deciding that it couldn't have been accidental is a bit beyond your remit.

Fact is we don't know how events unfolded from the driver's point of view.

 

[Teaboy]

I'd be very surprised if the police closed rank on this one. This was a employee of a private company (I believe) involved in an accident seemingly witnessed by many. I suspect the police will not have any qualms about charging the driver if he has done anything wrong.

 

[TopCat]

I'd be very surprised if the police closed rank on this one. This was a employee of a private company (I believe) involved in an accident seemingly witnessed by many. I suspect the police will not have any qualms about charging the driver if he has done anything wrong.

They will close ranks. Accusations of brutal assualt against private prison transfer staff don't go too far...

 

[cesare]

That poor woman, RIP Naomi/Gully

Also her friends and neighbours that witnessed her death, huge shock to them and the community



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Once the initial shock and emotion has receded a bit, I hope the eye witnesses individually write down a very detailed account of what they actually saw and heard, in the most neutral and objective (therefore credible) way possible. It's cathartic to get it all out, and it's 'bearing witness' and - AND - it might be very important.

I'd best bugger off cos I'm not from Brixton and I didn't know Gully, just a two pennorth

 

[Stobart Stopper]

...where the first post on the incident said it was a 13 year old girl.
A tragic event and I'm with missfran on this one.

That's was me, saying what they had reported on London Tonight yesterday, when the story broke.

 

[smokedout]

i chatted to her a few times when i lived in brixton and she was at reclaim the food the other week

seemed to spend much of her life winding up the old bill in a fairly inoffensive and quite funny way

top bird

 

[Teaboy]

More info on it here. Apols for the Mail link. Bizarrely they seem to have put the most effort into covering this.

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages...ews.html?in_article_id=561416&in_page_id=1770

I see the daily mail readers are taking a somewhat different view.

 

[john x]

Err... where has the rest of this thread gone?

john x

 

[Crispy]

There was a massive argument ruining it, which is now in the bin. Poster are free to pay respects/remember the dead here.

 

[shygirl]

Crispy pulled it, took a while tho'. Over-use of 'cunt', personal abuse, etc. Must have taken most offence at my post asking sal who the fuck she thinks she is

 

[Crispy]

Crispy pulled it, took a while tho'. Over-use of 'cunt', personal abuse, etc. Must have taken most offence at my post asking sal who the fuck she thinks she is

Take it elsewhere.

 

[shygirl]

I agree with the binning, cos it was all too nasty given the circumstances, including my own post. I just get incensed when people go on like people are less than human if they have an addiction.

Sorry.

 

[shygirl]

One memory I have of Naomi is when we were at the reclaim the food stall on 9 March. Rosie et al had made a pie with a vagina moulded out of pastry on top. When a copper asked her what she was eating, she shouted out, 'fanny pie'!

On the few occasions I spoke to her, she was warm and friendly. I really feel for her partner, who had only left her to go somewhereher minutes before she died. He's distraught, but getting a lot of support from friends.

 

[BrixiSteve]

Do you never, ever take a five-minute break from Ex-Copper Mode?? Get over it for Christ's sake

What's your problem? It's great to get his perspective on it. What would be the point of him commenting on something like this, with his knowledge as an ex-cop, if he's not going to share it....?

 

[TopCat]

Quite a few people demonstrating about this in brixton right now. Lots of flowers tied to a tree and angry faces abound.

 

[trashpony]

She danced in front of cars stopped at the lights quite a lot. That was what she did. Poor woman, what a horrible way to die

It's vile that people were standing around taking photos but I am quite pleased that they were angry with the driver for killing a woman with mental health issues. People like Naomi are too often ignored

 

[TopCat]

People taking photo's is a good thing. A record of evidence that may prove useful later in ensuring justice is done and seen to be done.

 

[ymu]

She danced in front of cars stopped at the lights quite a lot. That was what she did. Poor woman, what a horrible way to die

It's vile that people were standing around taking photos but I am quite pleased that they were angry with the driver for killing a woman with mental health issues. People like Naomi are too often ignored

It's entirely possible that people were taking photos and/or filming because they knew it might be important evidence. It's clear that a number of people did think he deliberately drove into her, whether it's true or not. I don't think it's any more appropriate to condemn those people without knowing what the situation was than it is to condemn the driver before more is known.

Samuel Joseph, a 30-year-old media worker from Clapham, added: "There were about 100 people, all looking under the van and taking photos. They weren't trying to help, just gawping. It was sick. Then it started to turn nasty.

"They were pointing their camera phones into the driver's face and shouting, 'You're a murderer! You've killed her!' They were chanting 'murderer' and gesturing at him.

"He was just sat there with his head in his hands and looked in an absolute state. He wouldn't get out of the van and I don't blame him in that situation, with that hostile reaction."

E2A: Sorry - missed TC's post.

 

[agricola]

People taking photo's is a good thing. A record of evidence that may prove useful later in ensuring justice is done and seen to be done.

If thats why they were taking pictures, then yes. Sadly however I would harbour a guess that many of them were just trying to either hawk them to the press, or show them to their mates.

 

[ymu]

If thats why they were taking pictures, then yes. Sadly however I would harbour a guess that many of them were just trying to either hawk them to the press, or show them to their mates.

Do rubber-neckers usually turn on the driver like that then? I wouldn't have thought they cared ...

 

[innit]

Do rubber-neckers usually turn on the driver like that then? I wouldn't have thought they cared ...

seems to happen in central Brixton - I think there were posts recently about members of the public harassing / heckling emergency services on Coldharbour Lane.

 

[agricola]

Do rubber-neckers usually turn on the driver like that then? I wouldn't have thought they cared ...

I did say "many of them" not "all", and yes, people can rubberneck and try and get / shout at the driver in the same incident.

 

[ymu]

I did say "many of them" not "all", and yes, people can rubberneck and try and get / shout at the driver in the same incident.

Accepted. There were ~100 people there, all with different perspectives on the incident and different motivations for doing what they did. I just think it's weird to condemn a crowd of 100 individuals on the basis of what some of them were doing at different points in time.

I hope that some of the cameras, CCTV or otherwise, were pointing in the right direction before they managed to get the van to stop. Twenty metres, if correct, is quite a long way to get from a standing start in a busy urban environment with crowds of people screaming in horror at some incident which appears to have happened near you.

 

[Agent Sparrow]

More info on it here. Apols for the Mail link. Bizarrely they seem to have put the most effort into covering this.

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages...ews.html?in_article_id=561416&in_page_id=1770

Jeez, some of the comments on that article. I know it's the daily hate, but still.

 

[Crispy]

Is there any point in having a seperate RIP thread if it's just going to fill up with speculation about the incident as opposed to respects/rememberance of the dead? There's a perfectly good thread in Brixton forum for talking about the event.

 

[detective-boy]

If he claims that 'she was jumping about all over the place, pulling the wipers. One minute I saw her, the next she seemed to have gone', he still has to make a case for it to be safe to have started the vehicle moving again to avoid the accustion of being reckless as to whether she was injured or not.

Indeed ... but that brings me back to the point I was making - it will not be quite so simple as you imply to prove that - if, for instance, would be pretty reasonable to conclude that she had realised the lights had changed and had gone on to the pavement, that he checked all around he could see and then, not seeing her, moved off ... which would be where the blind spots bit would come in. The described "lurch" or "jump" forward may also indicate it was not a deliberate move off.

 

[ymu]

Is there any point in having a seperate RIP thread if it's just going to fill up with speculation about the incident as opposed to respects/rememberance of the dead? There's a perfectly good thread in Brixton forum for talking about the event.

Apologies. I wasn't aware of the other thread.

 

[Crispy]

that's ok. I think I'll move this one to Brixton forum, to give them equal weighting

 

[detective-boy]

People taking photo's is a good thing. A record of evidence that may prove useful later in ensuring justice is done and seen to be done.

Disingenuous apologia. This was 99.999% ghoulishness and you damn well know it.

* Doesn't hold breath waiting for a queue to form to hand them over to the investigation *

 

[detective-boy]

seems to happen in central Brixton...

Certainly did when I was there. People jump to conclusions (I think some may post here ... ) and, in my own personal experience, have attempted to free two armed robbers, a rapist and a murderer as well as dozens of Class A dealers ...