Naomi of Brixton, RIP
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CharlieAddict
nekomimi rocks!!!
my gosh...i was there at around 6:15pm last night.
and then this morning at 6am, i noticed someone had left some flowers by the grassy bank.
don't think i've seen naomi but at 30 and so young, it's ever so sad.
RIP
and then this morning at 6am, i noticed someone had left some flowers by the grassy bank.
don't think i've seen naomi but at 30 and so young, it's ever so sad.
RIP
mailonsunday link said:
Don't you just love the great British public and their fucking camera phones ...
Minnie_the_Minx
someinenhhanding menbag and me ah bollox
I heard about that last night, but I've seen similar situations when there's been crashes up Brixton Hill so it certainly doesn't surprise me.
Sick cunts
Structaural
in Chatsubo
Poor woman. RIP
Reality check: Don't be surprised if this incident does not result in the driver being convicted (or even charged) with any offence (or, at least, with any significant offence).
Especially bearing in mind the blind spots which large vehicles have, this:
if true, is quite likely to present a very large evidential hurdle for the prosecution in proving any gross negligence, recklessness or even carelessness. It may be possible, but it will not be easy.
Especially bearing in mind the blind spots which large vehicles have, this:
if true, is quite likely to present a very large evidential hurdle for the prosecution in proving any gross negligence, recklessness or even carelessness. It may be possible, but it will not be easy.
Structaural
in Chatsubo
Sounds like he ran her over on purpose, if he'd stopped the van already.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I know, my point was/is that many of those drivers are so busy rushing around that they're not paying the sort of attention they should to their driving.
john x
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I can't see how! If the vehicle had indeed stopped (for whatever reason) the driver then has to explain to a court why he drove off with someone right in front of his vehicle knowing that death or serious injury would result. The fact that he was late is not a lawful reason to deliberately run someone over.
If someone was pointing a shotgun at his head, fair enough but this woman by all accounts, posed no threat to him, his vehicle or his passengers!
john x
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
looked to me like VP was trying to be helpful, no need to take it so personally.
Hey, no skin off my nose.
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
I don't care how rushed someone may be though, not seeing someone dancing right in front of your van really is going to be impossible to justify/explain... This is terrible
wurlycurly
diss member
Do you never, ever take a five-minute break from Ex-Copper Mode?? Get over it for Christ's sake
.... lots of things possibly (depending on your chosen viewpoint / prejudices).
editor
hiraethified
Sorry, but DB's post just looked like a pertinent and useful insight in to the legal process to me.
Treacle Toes
Time
I know, I was just making sure that I was not being misunderstood.
You see those bits I've bolded ... those are assumptions, those are ...
he might say he thought she was a distraction while people round the back 'blew the doors off'
it's what i would say, in his shoes.
The main reason I come here at all is to try and add to the (usually dire) level of knowledge people have of police procedure, investigation, prosecution and the necessary evidence for a conviction. In my experience many of the concerns people have over policing (and I suspect many other things) are based on a lack of reliable information.
If you already know everything there is to know on the subjects and don't want to read what I post, you don't have to. You know what you can do.
I'd be very surprised if his explanation for what happened is anything like so dramatic ... though it is possible!
i have an over active imagination!
john x
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Of course they are, although I am assuming more will be known about what actually happened if it ever goes to court.
The point I was making was that if the driver had indeed come to a stop (which seems to be what most people are saying) what you said about her dancing in the road and pulling on the windows do not relieve the driver from his lawful duty of care before pulling off. If he claims that 'she was jumping about all over the place, pulling the wipers. One minute I saw her, the next she seemed to have gone', he still has to make a case for it to be safe to have started the vehicle moving again to avoid the accustion of being reckless as to whether she was injured or not.
This whole case will rely on credible witness/CCTv evidence as to what physically happened in those few moments.
john x
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
I must say I agree with this. Yes, if he had been moving and she ran out in front of him then I could see a difficulty, but as (if the reports are to be believed) the van was stopped when she was banging on his windows and standing in front then one imagines it would be less difficult for a prosecution to suggest the driver knew she was there.
mrsfran
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We don't yet know the facts. Can people not wait a few days until the situation becomes clear before you start picking sides/using this to further your political agenda/blaming people? Or is your need to argue and score points more important than establishing facts around someone's death?
Oh wait. This is Urban. Of course it is.
Oh wait. This is Urban. Of course it is.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Speculation, debate and arguing is what this place is about.
standard double speak from a former coper and i now know why i dislike them so much, doing what i do ie take photographs of an incident here in Sheffield, and i live on one of the roads closed to cars not people, this twat tells me i can not go there as i had a camera? so we talk he was insistent till i proved i lived where i said i did ie open the f-ing front door. the police are full of shit back to post..
TopCat
Putin fanboy
The emergancy undertaker was hindered eh?
twistedAM
Left Of The Dial
...where the first post on the incident said it was a 13 year old girl.
A tragic event and I'm with missfran on this one.
Urm, did it not say earlier on the thread that they spent some trying to free her from underneath the van? I'm guessing that wasent the general public. Also there was something about an IV thingy in the gutter, which would indicate an ambulance crew trying to save a life. Though of course I am speculating about speculation.
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