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See alsoThe "average bill" thing is simply a marketing term being used (mainly) by the government to quantify what they're doing.
The actual cap is a per-unit price cap.
See alsoThe "average bill" thing is simply a marketing term being used (mainly) by the government to quantify what they're doing.
The actual cap is a per-unit price cap.
Yes, sadly basic energy and power is beyond most people's understanding - and I bet you would struggle to find anyone in government who does - even Coffey.The "average bill" thing is simply a marketing term being used (mainly) by the government to quantify what they're doing.
The actual cap is a per-unit price cap.
Been thinking about this charge cap this morning, OK its simple enough to understand a cap on the average bill, but how the fuck is the average bill being worked out? retrospectively?, predictions based on previous periods?, does anyone even know?, seems open (almost designed so) to abuse by the suppliers.
Seems to me with this methodology a company cant even tell you what you are going to pay per KWH till after they charge you
I am increasingly thinking that replacing my old, rather tatty fridge/freezer with a newer, more economical model would be a good thing to do. So thanks a bunchTalking about savings, for electric in August I averaged 4.84kwh per day, in Sept. that's down to 4.46kwh despite the darker mornings & evenings, saving 0.38kwh daily or 11.4khw for the month - this mainly reflects using the new air-flyer from the middle of the month rather than electric oven.
Oct. is going to be interesting, I am expecting decent saving with the new fridge/freezer, it's first full day of use was yesterday, resulting in just 3.15kwh being used - the average will be higher once using the washing machine comes into play, but if I can bring the 150kwh/£44.23 used in August down to around 110kwh/£38.84 in Oct., I'll be saving over £5pm despite the rate increase or equal to a monthly saving of over £14.00pm off the new rate, which I'll be very happy with.
The "average bill" thing is simply a marketing term being used (mainly) by the government to quantify what they're doing.
The actual cap is a per-unit price cap.
You could always benefit from the unheated parts of your home by using that instead of the fridge.I am increasingly thinking that replacing my old, rather tatty fridge/freezer with a newer, more economical model would be a good thing to do. So thanks a bunch
There's no part of my home that is unheated to the extent that it'd be good for storing food!You could always benefit from the unheated parts of your home by using that instead of the fridge.
I'm starting to think about what I could do with wire mesh - and perhaps even a small fan bringing in cold air from outside.
My "negative" energy bill just arrived - somewhat galling that the standing charge amounts to a third of it.
Ouch. I'm with utility warehouse and mine are
When I was a small child my grandparents didn't have a fridge. Instead they had something they called a 'safe' which was an outdoor cupboard on the shady side of the house with fine mesh sides.You could always benefit from the unheated parts of your home by using that instead of the fridge.
I'm starting to think about what I could do with wire mesh - and perhaps even a small fan bringing in cold air from outside.
My "negative" energy bill just arrived - somewhat galling that the standing charge amounts to a third of it.
Mostly it's about convenience - my bathroom / kitchen is draughty in any case and without a fridge I tend to keep veggies near the window ...When I was a small child my grandparents didn't have a fridge. Instead they had something they called a 'safe' which was an outdoor cupboard on the shady side of the house with fine mesh sides.
Wouldn't it be better for you to make something like that rather than bringing the cold air into the house?
Yes the linked explanation is quite straightforward, but it cant be as simple as set unit price cap without making the average price cap statement a lie.
My Dad used to keep his bottles of Newcastle Brown in the Fish PondWhen I was a small child my grandparents didn't have a fridge. Instead they had something they called a 'safe' which was an outdoor cupboard on the shady side of the house with fine mesh sides.
Wouldn't it be better for you to make something like that rather than bringing the cold air into the house?
The average price cap statement is a lie.Yes the linked explanation is quite straightforward, but it cant be as simple as set unit price cap without making the average price cap statement a lie.
No company can know in advance what the average bill is going to be next month as it doesnt know what usage will occur so will be guessing its unit price based on reaching the limit stated as an average price cap.
You cant say the unit price is a set rate and their is a set average cap on the monthly/yearly fee without one of those statements being a lie or the energy supplier purposely charging a unit rate thats so low as it definately cant breach the yearly cap
Yep we had one of those, in the (small) pantry which again was reasonably cool. I wanted one of them for years and finally got one 15 years ago They're good for keeping cheese and vege type things although I tend to keep them in the fridge. Despite their name - I knew it as a meat safe - I wouldn't trust keeping meat in them.When I was a small child my grandparents didn't have a fridge. Instead they had something they called a 'safe' which was an outdoor cupboard on the shady side of the house with fine mesh sides.
Wouldn't it be better for you to make something like that rather than bringing the cold air into the house?
Now you come to mention it, it probably was called a meat safe. I suspect it was shortened to just 'safe' when they spoke about as it was the only one they had.Yep we had one of those, in the (small) pantry which again was reasonably cool. I wanted one of them for years and finally got one 15 years ago They're good for keeping cheese and vege type things although I tend to keep them in the fridge. Despite their name - I knew it as a meat safe - I wouldn't trust keeping meat in them.
Have said before when I was at uni I had a small cabinet lined with metal on the inside and the body was made of expanded polystyrene. You poured water in a chamber in the top and evaporation kept the thing below room temperature. It worked ok as I recall. A container with a wet tea towel over it would keep things below room temperature but is a bit temporary.
I did have a hole dug into the kitchen floor and slate lined when the renovations were done. I ought to check what temperature it keeps but I've never really used it since I was given a fridge and since then have the newer one and freezer.
I'd get a small energy efficient fridge if it's only one person and they're not vege.
The average price cap statement is true, it's based on OFGEM's calculation of what the average household used in the last year, it's just a benchmark figure, used as a guide.The average price cap statement is a lie.
I'd get a power meter only £15 or so they should tell you consumption in W and 24-hour consumption in kWh. I've found mine really useful.
I'd get a power meter only £15 or so they should tell you consumption in W and 24-hour consumption in kWh. I've found mine really useful.
Meters can indeed be borked.I don’t understand how we’re apparently using so much more than the national average of electricity. We don’t have electric hot water or an electric shower, even. I understand some of the excess but there’s about half our usage that makes no sense to me.
Is it even remotely possible that our meter could be borked? Is that a thing that happens?
This is the design but there seem to be lots with that design but made by different people - possibly sourced from china and different company badges on them. Needs a UK plug as this one has:Which one did you get?
One of the problems these days is that there is so much choice for everything. I read the articles, I read the 1 star reviews….
You could of course just look at the ratings of the equipment you have connected, use a socket power meter, or an inductive "smart" meter at the consumer unit to sanity check the main meter over a few days. Or alternatively, simply just cut all power for a few hours and see if the meter is still clocking up phantom juice.I’ll be gutted if I turn out to have been playing twice as much for electricity as I should have been for years on end. My fault for not keeping a close eye on it before recent rocketing prices. I never knew what was “normal” before, though.
For years I was trying to tell Scottish Power and then subsequently British Gas that there was NO WAY I could be using that much electricity and begging them for a new meter as mine was very old. No joy, they wouldn't entertain it. Then I moved to another supplier (E.ON I think) and within what seemed like nanoseconds they'd changed the meter and my bills had halved.I don’t understand how we’re apparently using so much more than the national average of electricity. We don’t have electric hot water or an electric shower, even. I understand some of the excess but there’s about half our usage that makes no sense to me.
Is it even remotely possible that our meter could be borked? Is that a thing that happens?
Blimey that's cheap - I paid £17.99 for mine on Amazon ...This is the design but there seem to be lots with that design but made by different people - possibly sourced from china and different company badges on them. Needs a UK plug as this one has:
UK Plug-in Electricity Power Consumption Meter Energy Monitor Watt Kwh Analyzer | eBay
Total KWh and Cost Display: 0.0-9999KWh, 0.0-9999COST. Overload Setting: when current load power goes beyond the max. load power, the letters "OVERLOAD" on LCD will keep blinking to remind you. Plug: 3-pin UK Plug.www.ebay.co.uk
On Amazon they all seem out of stock or £27.
You just plug it in and it shows the consumption in W - you may need a torch though it's not bright. Let it run for a day (say for a fridge) and press Mode and it shows consumption in kWh.