Moronic Brexit twat gets on St Pancras roof: destroys everyone's holidays

[editor]

clearly stated aims: rave in the centre of town
limited disruption: only anticipated to last a few hours till people got bored / heads got broken
and of course only people heading into or out of charing x might be affected

You sound like a raging Tory dismissing out of hand the very real political and environmental agenda behind RTS. How disappointing.

 

[Pickman's model]

You sound like a raging Tory dismissing out of hand the very real political and environmental agenda behind RTS. How disappointing.

no i don't.

i'm by no means dismissing the very real political and environmental agenda behind rts. i'm satirising what you're saying where you make it sound like people were tiptoeing round being very careful not to disrupt anything, and forgetting things like the drilling of the motorway round the corner from shepherds bush. you're making it sound far more genteel than it actually was. but then with your oh noes disruption bad you can't really turn round now and say yes, j18 was disruptive and bloody good it was too

 

[Don Troooomp]

That’s not the station roof, it’s the roof of the tunnel entrance for HS1 that spans the tracks just north of the station. Risk of falling onto the live wires below.

"Risk of" or "there a hope of him" ?

 

[editor]

no i don't.

i'm by no means dismissing the very real political and environmental agenda behind rts. i'm satirising what you're saying where you make it sound like people were tiptoeing round being very careful not to disrupt anything, and forgetting things like the drilling of the motorway round the corner from shepherds bush. you're making it sound far more genteel than it actually was. but then with your oh noes disruption bad you can't really turn round now and say yes, j18 was disruptive and bloody good it was too

I never made that claim at all so please don't invent claims that have never been made. But to dismiss a RTS protest as being directly comparable to one aimless dickhead sat on a roof is way off the mark.

 

[editor]

That one where your missus at the time drove the truck in to Trafalgar Square.

In what way was that a targeted, relevant, environmental mass action with clearly stated aims?


For me it was a rave in the centre of town.

You mean have been blissfully ignorant of what RTS was about at the time, and I'm sure to some people it was nothing more than a rave in the centre of town, but then even raving was a politicised activity at the time because of the CJA. And that's why raving became a central part of protest.

Reclaim the Streets was an anti-car direct action movement which used street parties as political protest. The aim was to seize roads, and in this way to prevent cars from being able to access them. The street parties halted the normal flow of things so spectacularly, that passers by would be made to stop and question the reasons for the disruption. The first actions took place in London in 1995, closing Camden High Street on 14 May and Upper Street in Islington on 23 July. A year later, the largest street party of several thousand protesters closed an elevated section of the M41 motorway in Shepherds Bush on 13 July 1996.

The Criminal Justice Act strengthened links that already existed between ravers and protesters by criminalising them with the same definitions of 'nuisance' and 'trespass'. Finding themselves criminalised, ravers became politicised, and 'raving' became a defiant act.

Reclaim the Streets called itself a disorganisation; a loose collection of environmentalists, anarchists and anti-captialists with no formal structure, leaders or spokespeople and no distinct political agenda.

Reclaim the streets

 

[Pickman's model]

I never made that claim at all so please don't invent claims that have never been made. But to dismiss a RTS protest as being directly comparable to one aimless dickhead sat on a roof is way off the mark.

You did say the rts disruption was so limited people often just needed to walk to the next tube station to avoid it and you made it sound like this was designed in

I have made it clear above that yeh this idiot can be *compared* to an rts protest much to his discredit, but the two are not equivalent. Perhaps you might read what I've written instead of what you think I've written

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

You mean have been blissfully ignorant of what RTS was about at the time, and I'm sure to some people it was nothing more than a rave in the centre of town, but then even raving was a politicised activity at the time because of the CJA. And that's why raving became a central part of protest.



Reclaim the streets

Setting up a rig in a field and getting off yer face three years after the CJA was a political act, yeah?

I seem to remember trying to kid people of that fact at the time too, but it was just having a knees up when all’s said and done.

Of course RTS has a political element to it, as most likely does this bloke on top of the train tracks, just cos you don’t agree with his politics doesn’t make him a moronic twat though. Dismiss the politics of others at your peril.

 

[chilango]

But RTS was good and this is shit.

I don’t like this modern thing where people say “oh well I bet you’d love this if he did it for a good reason rather than a shit reason” as if that’s some sort of massive own.

I think the thing to do is to attack the reasons rather than the actions then.

*Not referring to you here fridge but just making a general point in response.

 

[killer b]

I think the thing to do is to attack the reasons rather than the actions then.

*Not referring to you here fridge but just making a general point in response.

Yeah, any protest which disrupts any part of the transport network will ruin someone's holiday. Using that kind of criticism when you disagree with a protest legitimates others use of the same criticism when it's a protest you agree with.

 

[Poi E]

The unacceptable face of English nationalism. They'll probably commute his sentence.

 

[Pickman's model]

The unacceptable face of English nationalism. They'll probably commute his sentence.

They'll stamp his ticket

 

[Serge Forward]

Of course RTS has a political element to it, as mostly likely does this bloke on top of the train tracks, just cos you don’t agree with his politics doesn’t make him a moronic twat though. Dismiss the politics of others at your peril.

Politics is the issue, not the form it takes. Good people riot, so do bad ones; people with sound reasons take some form of direct action, so does this moronic twat on the train station roof. So which side are you on? Or are both sides equal? And if they are both equal, why even bother talking about or actually doing anything political if it's all just a matter of people doing similar kinds stuff without any political context?

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Politics is the issue, not the form it takes. Good people riot, so do bad ones; people with sound reasons take some form of direct action, so does this moronic twat on the train station roof. So which side are you on? Or are both sides equal? And if they are both equal, why even bother talking about or actually doing anything political if it's all just a matter of people doing similar kinds stuff without any political context?

What was this guy protesting about?

 

[Poi E]

#justiceforwankers

 

[Serge Forward]

The clue is in the flag.

 

[cupid_stunt]

What was this guy protesting about?

It was Bungle73 complaining about his train being late or something similar.

 

[Yossarian]

Of course RTS has a political element to it, as most likely does this bloke on top of the train tracks, just cos you don’t agree with his politics doesn’t make him a moronic twat though. Dismiss the politics of others at your peril.

Reclaim the Streets at least had a coherent ideology and purpose - they were literally reclaiming the streets. What did this dickhead represent, the Reclaim the Top of St Pancras Station movement?

He was a lone dickhead who was probably just doing stupid shit because he got drunk at Nigel Farage's rally and didn't know what to do with himself afterward, I don't think there's any reason why people should pay any more attention to his politics than those of anybody else.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Reclaim the Streets at least had a coherent ideology and purpose - they were literally reclaiming the streets. What did this dickhead represent, the Reclaim the Top of St Pancras Station movement?

He was a lone dickhead who was probably just doing stupid shit because he got drunk at Nigel Farage's rally and didn't know what to do with himself afterward, I don't think there's any reason why people should pay any more attention to his politics than those of anybody else.

It is the ridiculing and ignoring people like this that led to leave winning the referendum. A huge number of people in this country have been utterly sidelined, they were angry in June 2016 and are still angry. Yet these people are dismissed, so it continues ad infinitum.

 

[Yossarian]

It is the ridiculing and ignoring people like this that led to leave winning the referendum. A huge number of people in this country have been utterly sidelined, they were angry in June 2016 and are still angry. Yet these people are dismissed, so it continues ad infinitum.

"People like this?" He's just some bellend wrapped in a flag walking around on top of a train station, he makes Fathers4Justice look like Kofi Annan.

Yes, a lot of people are angry and were sidelined, but I don't think many of them are going to want to claim this guy as their figurehead...

 

[Pickman's model]

It is the ridiculing and ignoring people like this that led to leave winning the referendum. A huge number of people in this country have been utterly sidelined, they were angry in June 2016 and are still angry. Yet these people are dismissed, so it continues ad infinitum.

To be fair yer man didn't manage to find anyone angry enough to be prepared to join him in his lonely vigil

 

[Pickman's model]

"People like this?" He's just some bellend wrapped in a flag walking around on top of a train station, he makes Fathers4Justice look like Kofi Annan.

Yes, a lot of people are angry and were sidelined, but I don't think many of them are going to want to claim this guy as their figurehead...

Let alone their friend

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

"People like this?" He's just some bellend wrapped in a flag walking around on top of a train station, he makes Fathers4Justice look like Kofi Annan.

Yes, a lot of people are angry and were sidelined, but I don't think many of them are going to want to claim this guy as their figurehead...

And there you go, missing the point. Enjoy mother’s day.

 

[Yossarian]

And there you go, missing the point. Enjoy mother’s day.

Why have you appointed this knobhead as the champion of Britain's sidelined, ignored, Brexit-voting masses?

Do you think people wouldn't be ridiculing him and ignoring his point - whatever it even is - if he'd been a Remain voter wrapped in an EU flag? I'd be ridiculing him even if he was my best mate waving a 'Yossarian Is Great' banner. In fact, I'd ridicule him more in those circumstances than any other.

You enjoy Mother's Day too.

 

[ska invita]

Coming by road into Clacton just now two committed activist were stood in the wind on a bridge holding a st George's flag for the benefit of passing traffic. A powerful point. England. Yes.

 

[editor]

Setting up a rig in a field and getting off yer face three years after the CJA was a political act, yeah?

In a field? What are you on about?

 

[editor]

It is the ridiculing and ignoring people like this that led to leave winning the referendum.

Whaaaat?

 

[Poi E]

It's not the steps of Odessa but this could be the start of English independence

 

[editor]

Freedom for station roof walkers! Reclaim the slates! Canopies for all!

 

[agricola]

Coming by road into Clacton just now two committed activist were stood in the wind on a bridge holding a st George's flag for the benefit of passing traffic. A powerful point. England. Yes.

That might have been West Ham fans protesting about yesterday's abject surrender.

 

[A380]

It was Bungle73 complaining about his train being late or something similar.

Actually now you mention it, the flag DID HAVE A CROSS ON IT.