butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Still there. No job, no home, mates lost all. Worse than me.
The same one you managed to get out of?
Moorland - how unsympathetic am I allowed to be?
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Coward 
SaskiaJayne
Rural Guerrilla
A few unrelated points. The Duch build their houses from sheets of reinforced concrete faced with bricks & tiles to look like 'normal' houses making them waterproof & subsidence proof.
Look at Moorland on google streetview, you see normal suburban bungalows & a river bank at roof level but in mitigation I doubt houses on stilts would have got planning permission.
Glasto millionare Michael Eavis in Beeb interview stated they are fucked anway because they scrapped the 25 Ruston Bucyrus draglines previously used for dredging the rivers & they have no suitable dredging equipment available.
Look at Moorland on google streetview, you see normal suburban bungalows & a river bank at roof level but in mitigation I doubt houses on stilts would have got planning permission.
Glasto millionare Michael Eavis in Beeb interview stated they are fucked anway because they scrapped the 25 Ruston Bucyrus draglines previously used for dredging the rivers & they have no suitable dredging equipment available.
Well, not knowingly!
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
it's a start
You can know your environment well enough to put down sandbags, move your stuff upstairs etc.
But knowing about and doing these things won't help you cope with your house, garden, street and your whole village staying flooded for a month or more.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
can't move your stuff upstairs if you're in a bungalow.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
not that it matters, cause OP's point would fucking dumb even if every single one of them did, but... of North Somerset's 77,304 eligible voters at the last election 28,549 voted for the Tories (or about 37% of them). No reason why the rate would be especially higher in these villages...
co-op
But....but cLoWnFiSh....
Very true - nowhere to take your horses!
Couldn't be arsed reading the thread beyond the OP though, but feel as much or as a little as a cunt you feel you have to be.
Me though, I'd say you're a bit of a twat.
Me though, I'd say you're a bit of a twat.
So that's one loon. Soz if that's already been said though.
Sorry, co-op, you are wrong on this one. Back away with some dignity.
Co-op ??? Dignity? Cooperman?
Dyra really think so? Coupe DeVille though. Good job it never turned out to be Coop Se'Ville, eh
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Some core political questions relating to floods, as not heard in mainstream media.
http://bilgewatch.wordpress.com/201...uestions-that-wont-be-discussed-by-the-media/
http://bilgewatch.wordpress.com/201...uestions-that-wont-be-discussed-by-the-media/
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SaskiaJayne
Rural Guerrilla
According to MIchael Eavis they were scrapped when dredging of the rivers were stopped. Draglines are very old technology, invented over a 100yrs ago, they are big & difficult to transport & while there are still massive draglines in use in open cast mining etc, the use of smaller machines in civil engineering work was probably all over by the 1970s. The development of the hydraulic ram for construction machnery changed everything & allowed development of smaller earthmoving machines, JCB etc.
But according to Eavis the dragline is still the best tool for dredging these rivers which involves digging out the bed & using the material to build up the sides. Its ok for handringing politicians & Prince Charles to empathise & say 'something will be done', etc but if they don't have the machinery to do the job then its going to take a while before they can start & its interesting that nothing is mentioned in the media about how the job will be done & the what is the timescale?
Im by no means opposed to dredging, but what about river wildlife;how is that to be protected?
stowpirate
skinflintish camera nut
Prince Charles is already talking to the PM so I don't think many of them will vote Labour now?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Basically, (IMO), Monbiot is right. Flood prevention is better than flood control, and dredging can only ever be part of the whole picture, and then only temporarily. Undoubtedly, in the short term, dredging can increase the channel capacity and make over-topping less likely, but by lowering the gradient of the channel bed you also alter the nature of the channel flow, and water courses will naturally return to graded flow by depositing bedload to aggrade their profile. So, once started, dredging has to be undertaken very regularly if it to remain effective as a means of flood control.
I fully understand why the Somerset locals are so adamant in their demands for dredging because, at the most basic level, it represents something that can be done and is giving some focus to the demands of the flood victims. But I feel their single-minded insistence that dredging must be done, and their complete faith in its efficacy, is partly a very understandable reaction to the disastrous floods; this didn't happen when we dredged = this has happened to us because we haven't dredged. The truth is that there are other variables that have changed, not just the absence of dredging.
It would be a hard message to put across to those affected though, and clearly the politicians won't; they're more than happy to pander to the popular demand for the dredging to 'start as soon as possible'.
Nylock
I hate 'these days'...
...Maybe they ought to come up with some strategy that involves reforesting the appropriate percentage of upland catchments (as per monbiot), dredging flood prone areas* (as per the residents of the levels) until the natural systems become fully embedded and maybe work to improve coastal defences/levee systems in vulnerable areas?
...or am I barking up the wrong tree here?
...or am I barking up the wrong tree here?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
No, you're not....but the notion of ever greater hard engineered responses to rising sea level is not sustainable everywhere. Since the mid 90's, coastlines with low Cost-Benefit analysis values have been judged to be appropriate for managed retreat, (letting the sea have its way, and generate natural, ''soft engineering" ecosystems like salt-marshes to absorb wave energy in a sustainable manner). It tells you something about the mentality of NuLab that they insisted on the concept of managed retreat being re-named as managed re-alignment; they couldn't bear to be associated with anything described as retreat.
gosub
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No point going back to dragline as under EUropean Waste Framework Directive, you can move silt once, which is fine, second time you move its controlled waste that must go into landfill at £140 a cubic metre, which is not only expensive but a complete waste of highly fertile silt. What you want now is a cutter suction dredger that can suck from the river bed and pump directly on to the the land as far away as you can have a connecting pipe
SaskiaJayne
Rural Guerrilla
Ah yes of course EU directives, the problem with using a floating dredger though is there are several low bridges including the M5 over the rivers so floating them in from the sea might be difficult. It will certainly be interesting to see how & how quickly all the political promises can be fulfilled.
gosub
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last time I was in Bridgewater, (4-5 years ago) Parrett was navigable. going to be red boarded for a while Can't see it being done before summer.
Interesting that switching back to grass instead of maize is also moving up the agenda
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