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Moorland - how unsympathetic am I allowed to be?

I know what co-ops doing and i've no problem with it btw - i had the same argument last last night with a mate who genuinely put forward the views of the OP. It got rather loud.
 
frogwoman said:
we had to have sandbags outside our house a few weeks ago, no horses/servants here
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And if you were on the news i would be sympathetic. Instead we get the dickheads in their Range Rovers crying about their poor ponies.

These are the people jeering about Benefits St and how the poor need to knuckle down and work harde. Why you feel the need to defend them i'm not sure.
 
Mr Moose said:
Your OP doesn't deserve anything more. You come across as the typical urban eejit who thinks everyone outside of the major cities is wealthy.
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TBF though, most people should know what needs to concern them about their locale. My parents live 30 metres from a seawall on the north Norfolk coast. They're thoroughly acquainted with the fact that every couple of years the sea will make it over and give them some shit. They used to live in semi-rural Kent, halfway up the side of a valley, and knew that heavy rain meant muddy water cascading through the house unless they sandbagged the doors quickly. TBF, if locals don't acquaint themselves with stuff like that, it's their loss. It's not about wealth, it's about knowing your environment, surely?
 
co-op said:
They can say they vote for mutuality - an injury to one is an injury to all.


eta - also "what parties?" - the conservative party is a complete redoubt of climate change deniers.
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More "deniers and couldn't-give-a-fuckers", IMO.
 
ViolentPanda said:
TBF though, most people should know what needs to concern them about their locale. My parents live 30 metres from a seawall on the north Norfolk coast. They're thoroughly acquainted with the fact that every couple of years the sea will make it over and give them some shit. They used to live in semi-rural Kent, halfway up the side of a valley, and knew that heavy rain meant muddy water cascading through the house unless they sandbagged the doors quickly. TBF, if locals don't acquaint themselves with stuff like that, it's their loss. It's not about wealth, it's about knowing your environment, surely?
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CurrentLevels flooding is the longest and largest in living memory
 
Labour probably cautious be because Chris Smith, head of environment agency is ex-Lab cabinet minister. Oh and they won't make spending pledges. On climate change more generally I think they are of the view it is lower down voters' priorities since crash. They have been shit re fighting fracking too.
 
frogwoman said:
we had to have sandbags outside our house a few weeks ago, no horses/servants here
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Out of interest, how much free time would you have had to do interviews? Guessing a case of put the sandbags down, cross fingers and go to work.

Media will be interviewing pub owners coz it allows them to have pints and land owners coz they are available due to not needing to be at work to pay for things. Could have had a few pensioners though.
 
Awesome Wells said:
Indeed.

But there must be some - relatively simple things - that we can do to shore up places susceptible to flooding.
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There are, landscape-wise and architecture-wise.

Landscape-wise, though, most "solutions" would require some landscape modification, and that isn't a popular thing - a lot of "incomers" bought places because of "the scenery", and don't want that ruined by fuck-off big levees.

Architecture-wise there are a few, but given the nature of the combination of architectures, you need a lot of different tactics and methods to deal with different issues.
The Levels has a minority of cob-built homes. Just sandbagging isn't effective if the water is going to be there a couple of weeks - not when your home is built of mud and straw.
Modern "timber-frame" housing is another big problem. It can keep rainwater out if built properly, but it's not flood-resistant by any stretch of the imagination.
What's really needed is the sort of holistic view the Dutch take with regard to newbuild in flood-prone areas - homes are required to be flood-resistant, whether that's through the use of impervious building methods, and seals on all openable surfaces, or (my personal favourite because of the slightly sci-fi flavour!) the house being "moored" to the foundation by a series of tethers, rather than constructed into them, so that it can float, moored by the tethers, on the floodwaters.
 
Mr Moose said:
You are fortunate to occupy so much physical and metaphorical high ground. You should go and tell the Dutch about your theories, or maybe Bangladeshi people.

No one lives anywhere that requires no maintenance. All urban or cultivated land is just a few years from rewilding. London survives through a humungous great barrier.

The argument here is that something that used to happen, dredging, has been axed. This would have made the regular inundations of that area mostly tolerable.

It doesn't strike me as an area of any elites. The elite tend to avoid the flood plain. I bet there are loads of rural poor there. But what of it? Everyone's home is important.

If you want your mutuality to be successful you may have to be a bit less judgemental and selfish.
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TBF, both the Dutch and the Bangladeshis have progressively modified construction techniques to take account of flood risk as best they can. Here, mass newbuild is still the same brick-clad timber-frame shite that the construction industry have been fobbing us off with for the past 60+ years, with fuck-all attention (except maybe lip-service) paid to "hardening" homes against flood, let alone flood-proofing them.
 
Question does the round the clock pumping and mini dams that have been built come out of EA budget? Or is local authority having to pay? Cos if its the EA that was real false economy bit of bean counting
 
danny la rouge said:
Sorry, co-op, you are wrong on this one. Back away with some dignity.
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To be fair I admitted my argument was incoherent on page 2. Not sure how much dignity I mustered, probably for others to judge that. I was having a peevish morning and after one too many annoying comments on R5L, I spoke my brains, or rather my emotions. Trouble is I just got them, I didn't choose them. Anyone know any good re-education camps?

butchersapron said:
Great way to alienate people from climate change ideas though co-op.
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:D

Are you going to induct me into the butchersapron Charm School on how not to alienate people?
 
co-op said:
:D

Are you going to induct me into the butchersapron Charm School on how not to alienate people?
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I do win (not just make people who agree with me speak up) people to my side though. Believe it or not. Or regardless of if you think i could do it better.
 
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