Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[Pickman's model]

why

because you say that i believe that these things shouldn't be able to be reported, which is not a position i have taken.

 

[smokedout]

so what is your position, other than you hope i kill myself

 

[Pickman's model]

so what is your position, other than you hope i kill myself

no, you're wrong again. my position on that is that if you are going to top yourself i hope i don't have to wait eight years for it.

my position is these things should be able to be reported but i would hope that they weren't as the examples you pose aren't to my mind all that. you'll now bring up the case of the dpp who resigned when caught kerb crawling round kings x in the 1980s or early 1990s, but i do not want to read about something like that when there are so many other worse things they do which could be reported instead.

 

[rorymac]

see youve already quantified it, it very much depends on the circumstances of each doesnt it - why dont you write out two examples of how each might happen and then i can give you an opinion

failing that you might want to comment on the issue actually being discussed

Dave's secretary drops a box of staples on the floor .. when she bends over to pick them Dave gets a semi on and drops his pen under his desk and from that position he can see up her skirt .. he asks her to look at a file he's been reading and as she stands beside him he can smell her scent and perfume and is dribbling into his slacks. He puts his hand on her arse, immediately apologises but she responds and he goes straight up it .. he brings her to a climax orally on his desk and goes back up it again.

Dave goes to Foxylady in Vegas and pays 500 dollars for a night of passion with a blonde tanned beauty with fake boobs and no pubic hair. He feels strangely unsatisfied and phones his missus telling her he misses her and loves her so much. Well he does tbf

 

[smokedout]

my position is these things should be able to be reported but i would hope that they weren't as the examples you pose aren't to my mind all that.

well i'm sure you're aesthetics will be born in mind next time someone catches a tory with his pants down, its not much of a position is it

you'll now bring up the case of the dpp who resigned when caught kerb crawling round kings x in the 1980s or early 1990s, but i do not want to read about something like that when there are so many other worse things they do which could be reported instead.

yet that's what ended his career. its not en either/or thing, why cant both be reported

 

[smokedout]

Dave's secretary drops a box of staples on the floor .. when she bends over to pick them Dave gets a semi on and drops his pen under his desk and from that position he can see up her skirt .. he asks her to look at a file he's been reading and as she stands beside him he can smell her scent and perfume and dribbling into his slacks. He puts his hand on her arse, immediately apologises but she responds and he goes straight up it .. he brings her to a climax orally on his desk and goes back up it again.

Dave goes to Foxylady in Vegas and pays 500 dollars for a night of passion with a blonde tanned beauty with fake boobs and no pubic hair. He feels strangely unsatisfied and phones his missu telling her he misses her and loves her so much. Well he does tbf

did you get a hard on writing that

 

[strung out]

Dave's secretary drops a box of staples on the floor .. when she bends over to pick them Dave gets a semi on and drops his pen under his desk and from that position he can see up her skirt .. he asks her to look at a file he's been reading and as she stands beside him he can smell her scent and perfume and is dribbling into his slacks. He puts his hand on her arse, immediately apologises but she responds and he goes straight up it .. he brings her to a climax orally on his desk and goes back up it again.

Dave goes to Foxylady in Vegas and pays 500 dollars for a night of passion with a blonde tanned beauty with fake boobs and no pubic hair. He feels strangely unsatisfied and phones his missus telling her he misses her and loves her so much. Well he does tbf

 

[Mitre10]

Tesco - "we do not believe that it is appropriate to withdraw our advertising from News International publications at this point"

that is, there are still people who read ni pubs and shop with us and if we didn't advertise they'd go to waitrose (times / sunday times) or lidl or sainsbury's (sun)

Having personally dealt with Tesco on various issues, the more likely situation is: NI are over a barrel, advertisers pulling out left right and centre. We can get the level of advertising we've had for years but now only pay 25% of the previous rate or we'll threaten to pull out as well.

 

[Pickman's model]

Having personally dealt with Tesco on various issues, the more likely situation is: NI are over a barrel, advertisers pulling out left right and centre. We can get the level of advertising we've had for years but now only pay 25% of the previous rate or we'll threaten to pull out as well.

good point well made

 

[Kaka Tim]

News International having every leading political figure effectively under survilenace is not about 'protecting the public interest'. Its about gathering personal information with which to control those people for Murodchs' own ends. You can bet that most of the dirt they've got on ministers, leading civil servants etc is not in the public domain, but their on file in wapping in case its ever needed.

The 'holding the powerful to account' argument is a cynical fig leaf useed to conceal Murdochs malign hold on the body politic. Politicians are ultimately accountable to the eletrote, Murodch is accountable to no-one bar the shareholders who are only interested in NI making a profit.

 

[sheothebudworths]

Dave's secretary drops a box of staples on the floor .. when she bends over to pick them Dave gets a semi on and drops his pen under his desk and from that position he can see up her skirt .. he asks her to look at a file he's been reading and as she stands beside him he can smell her scent and perfume and is dribbling into his slacks. He puts his hand on her arse, immediately apologises but she responds and he goes straight up it .. he brings her to a climax orally on his desk and goes back up it again.

Dave goes to Foxylady in Vegas and pays 500 dollars for a night of passion with a blonde tanned beauty with fake boobs and no pubic hair. He feels strangely unsatisfied and phones his missus telling her he misses her and loves her so much. Well he does tbf

LOL

 

[weltweit]

OK

Many here are able to cope with the issue of what the editors Coulson and Brooks knew.

Either - 1) they knew about the hacking in which case they were guilty

Or - 2) they didn't know in which case they were incompetant

The editors were close to the action, and James Murdoch to a great extent.

But what about Rupert Murdoch, he was much more removed from the action.

Do you think Rupert Murdoch knew about the hacking, when it was going on?

 

[Badgers]

OK

Many here are able to cope with the issue of what the editors Coulson and Brooks knew.

Either - 1) they knew about the hacking in which case they were guilty

Or - 2) they didn't know in which case they were incompetant

The editors were close to the action, and James Murdoch to a great extent.

But what about Rupert Murdoch, he was much more removed from the action.

Do you think Rupert Murdoch knew about the hacking, when it was going on?

I would guess he looked the other way as they had 'scoops' and sold papers.

 

[peterkro]

^^Personally I think Rupe didn't want to know,he was quite happy whatever ways were employed to sell papers, as long as it didn't involve him. Plausable deniability don't ya know.

 

[belboid]

Elisabeth Murdoch: "James and Rebekah fucked the company."

 

[laptop]

Do you think Rupert Murdoch knew about the hacking, when it was going on?

All the accounts are that he conducted business with his editors in late-night phone conversations.

There'd be loads that he'd want not to put in writing.

It's almost too much to hope that we get to hear recordings of those calls.

But perhaps one of these inquiries could ask the security services whether they alerted the government to evidence that a foreign national was hacking the phones of Her Majesty's Ministers - and if not, why not?

 

[Divisive Cotton]

there's a four minute vid from Murdoch's biographer here which is worth watching: http://www.adweek.com/video/advertising-branding/michael-wolff-murdochalypse-133400

 

[ferrelhadley]

3.58pm: There are rumours on Twitter that the New York Times may have a scoop on the allegations that News of the World journalists tried to hack the phones of 9/11 victims.

Michael Wolff has tweeted: "Rumor: New York Times has something juicy tomorrow on #NOTW. Could be 9/11 connection."

It is currently one of the most re-tweeted posts on the scandal.

If you haven't caught it already, it's also worth watching Wolff's analysis of what fate may befall the Murdochs next week as what he terms the "Murdochalypse" continues.

Referring to the their appearance on Tuesday at the Commons culture, media and sport select committee Wolff says:

"Rupert is loopy and James is arrogant. So I think the chances for a really combustible moment are very high."

Well well well

We shall see if they pan out.

 

[Pickman's model]

But what about Rupert Murdoch, he was much more removed from the action.

this is based on what? do you mean that because he was higher up he didn't know that the news of the world was hacking the uk head of state's phone, that that sort of thing would be authorised by one of his minions?

Do you think Rupert Murdoch knew about the hacking, when it was going on?

of course he fucking did.

 

[_angel_]

Actually it's her hair that I find repellant. That and her morals of course.

I like her hair.

 

[Pickman's model]

I like her hair.

(((_angel_)))

 

[rorymac]

there's a four minute vid from Murdoch's biographer here which is worth watching: http://www.adweek.com/video/advertising-branding/michael-wolff-murdochalypse-133400

Dead interesting that .. I noted his concern re whether the parliamentary people might grandstand which seems to so often be the name of the game and almost a way of life now .. from an outsiders limited enough point of view.

 

[paolo]

I like her hair.

A few of us conceded this last night.

Good hair. Attached to something truly, wholly, awful. And I don't mean looks.

 

[Roadkill]

Dave's secretary drops a box of staples on the floor .. when she bends over to pick them Dave gets a semi on and drops his pen under his desk and from that position he can see up her skirt .. he asks her to look at a file he's been reading and as she stands beside him he can smell her scent and perfume and is dribbling into his slacks. He puts his hand on her arse, immediately apologises but she responds and he goes straight up it .. he brings her to a climax orally on his desk and goes back up it again.

Dave goes to Foxylady in Vegas and pays 500 dollars for a night of passion with a blonde tanned beauty with fake boobs and no pubic hair. He feels strangely unsatisfied and phones his missus telling her he misses her and loves her so much. Well he does tbf

 

[Jeff Robinson]

That's a bit rich coming from you!
Calling Myleene Klass a "nazi heiffer" obviously makes total sense.

She is a nazi heiffer. I stand by that.

 

[DaveCinzano]

A historical curiosity



Whilst looking through old Private Eyes I came across this curiosity in #1051 (18 April 2002):

A tremendous scoop in the News Of The World of 24 March: "Vile pop pedophile Jonathan King has been beaten up in prison and left with a broken nose, a fractured wrist and two black eyes." The attack took place "at London's tough Belmarsh prison… 10 days ago," and King has now been sent to Maidstone jail to have his nose re-set.

Yet, alas! King claims to have been transferred from Belmarsh to Maidstone several weeks earlier. "I didn't have black eyes or fractured wrists and, anyway, would never be rushed to Maidstone to 'reset my broken nose' since it's one of the few prisons in Britain without a hospital wing," the vile pop pedophile himself points out in a letter to Lord Gnome.

"I suspect their rubbish was aimed at only one reader - me - in a desperate attempt to persuade me not to reveal all the cocaine snorting, underage sex parties and homosexual perversions amongst executives and journalists I witnesses at first hand during the five years I worked for News International, writing a weekly page for the Sun."

Who on earth do we believe? The vile pop pedophile or the crusading, investigative journalists on the News Of The World? It is a terrible dilemma.

King - who has been out of gaol for six years - has been skirting round the issue in recent posts on his website…

I have to say - as long as it's legal, such things as hacking phones (we used to call it "tapping"), and paying police for tips are basic methods of journalistic practice and there's nothing wrong with them as long as a) they don't break the law (which they now do) and b) they don't encourage or back up a corrupt agenda.

…Andy Coulson and Rebekah Brooks just did what good editors are meant to do; but times have changed. They lied when they were caught out and will pay the price accordingly.

(From his blog post My personal thoughts on Coulson, Wade, phone hacking, Murdoch…)

Aside from King's confusion over what is legal and what is not*, he seems to be suggesting that he was aware of these sorts of practices going on. Whether he is sitting on anything worth knowing is another matter.

Still, it could be fun if he actually lands some Sun and NOTW bods in the shit with some 'drugs orgies shocker' bean-spilling.

* On the confusion front, in his letter to the Eye he says he worked for NI for five years; his website biography says his Sun column ran for eight years; and in a blog post he says he "worked for ten happy years for News International and found them incredibly professional, decent and efficient." Make of that what you will.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Something that could only be described as a Freudian slip in today's Grauniad liveblog on the NI shenanigans:

Adding to the intrigue as to what Elisabeth Murdoch did or did not say is a fascinating piece buried deep inside the Telegraph about her family, writes Lisa O'Carroll.

It gives legs to the notion that Rupert is now preparing the ground for succession.

It is suggesting that Elisabeth now sees it as the big chance to take over from her father and says she resents her father's tendency to favour her brothers in business, despite her being older.

It also quotes Matthew Freud, Elisabeth's wife, something that is unlikely to please the PR man who has been as invisible as he can the last two weeks.

 

[_angel_]

She is a nazi heiffer. I stand by that.

This is exactly why you come across as some kind of comedy viz leftie. She's vacuous and annoying. She is not a nazi heifer. You can't even get the hang of doing insults properly.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Ffor ffuck's sake everyone, there's only one eff in 'heifer'

(Unless you're talking about Simon effing Heffer.)

 

[ViolentPanda]

She is a nazi heiffer. I stand by that.

Heifer, you twonk!

E2A: Snap!