Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[_angel_]

On occasion her dim witted other half logs in under her name. You can tell from the stupidity and lack of content of the posts.

That's a bit rich coming from you!
Calling Myleene Klass a "nazi heiffer" obviously makes total sense.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

says who, no-one got hurt, nothing got stolen

tbh, in the lights of brown's government attack on disabled claimants id say it was more than relevent

Nobody got hurt? You are fucking kidding. All kinds of people have been hurt - including a young child in the Brown case.

You and a few others seem determined to split the world up into those who deserve to be treated decently and those who deserve whatever shit is thrown at them. That's a really shit attitude.

 

[Kaka Tim]

says who, no-one got hurt, nothing got stolen

tbh, in the lights of brown's government attack on disabled claimants id say it was more than relevent

Nobody hurt? Murdochs strangle hold on politics for the past 30 years has helped promote exactly those sort of shitty policies.
I suppose nobody was hurt by the Stasi's surveilance state either?

 

[stethoscope]

Nobody hurt? Murdochs strangle hold on politics for the past 30 years has helped promote exactly those sort of shitty policies.

Quite.

 

[belboid]

no-one got hurt

Jennifer Elliott.

 

[two sheds]

Yes, and the discussion earlier about whether or not Sun and NotW readers actually believe the shit that's in the papers isn't the most important point, I don't think.

The papers set the agenda - what people talk about and what MPs get frothy at the mouth about - and so what laws we've got, how the police behave at (for example) demos, and how benefit claimants are treated.

 

[DrRingDing]

Nice one 2Sheds.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Whats that german word?? begins with s

In Murdoch's case?

Blatantly scheissefotze.

 

[ViolentPanda]

They were going to shut up shop regardless. Don't get me wrong I would dance a silly jig infront of the most discerning of audiences stark bollock naked on acid if his empire fell. But it won't.

With or without tit tassels?

 

[pk]

Is anyone buying The Scum? What are the sales figures for the past week?

 

[killer b]

'unofficial industry estimates' had them down a quarter of a million, but i don't think there's any definitive figures yet.

 

[smokedout]

Nobody got hurt? You are fucking kidding. All kinds of people have been hurt - including a young child in the Brown case.

You and a few others seem determined to split the world up into those who deserve to be treated decently and those who deserve whatever shit is thrown at them. That's a really shit attitude.

wind your neck in, i was talking specifically about the brown case

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yes, and the discussion earlier about whether or not Sun and NotW readers actually believe the shit that's in the papers isn't the most important point, I don't think.

The papers set the agenda - what people talk about and what MPs get frothy at the mouth about - and so what laws we've got, how the police behave at (for example) demos, and how benefit claimants are treated.

And by setting the agenda, they also act, alongside the state and wider business interests to set the permissible boundaries of public discourse, which is why business, the media and the state make such a toxic triumvirate, especially if you're poor or in a minority.

 

[butchersapron]

'unofficial industry estimates' had them down a quarter of a million, but i don't think there's any definitive figures yet.

The official ABC figures for this period aren't due for another month or so, and the National Readership Survey seems to have given up. Lucky timing on the first one i think. They did publish figures for the period immediately before all this yesterday though.

 

[smokedout]

You and a few others seem determined to split the world up into those who deserve to be treated decently and those who deserve whatever shit is thrown at them. That's a really shit attitude.

precisely, sometimes it is in the public interest to expose the private lives of the powerful

 

[smokedout]

Jennifer Elliott.

where have i defended coppers taking bribes and hit pieces being written about people not in a public position?

 

[spartacus mills]

who says that's not the image he wanted to project? a harmless old man, looking after the family biz during troubled times

His biographer says "Right now the difficulty is that Rupert is incredibly old. He is an old 80, which makes him seem like 100. I just don't think he is up to it any more. I've spent a lot of time with him and it was weird. Often he's fine, but it was very hard for him to follow the track of the conversation. He's an old guy. You think, 'Oh my god, this guy is old'" and indicates that he'll be pretty poor in front of the Select Committee...

 

[Kizmet]

precisely, sometimes it is in the public interest to expose the private lives of the powerful

Precisely the problem underlying this whole situation.

 

[belboid]

where have i defended coppers taking bribes and hit pieces being written about people not in a public position?

you keep saying no one got hurt from any of this. Which simply isn't true.

 

[contadino]

His biographer says "Right now the difficulty is that Rupert is incredibly old. He is an old 80, which makes him seem like 100. I just don't think he is up to it any more. I've spent a lot of time with him and it was weird. Often he's fine, but it was very hard for him to follow the track of the conversation. He's an old guy. You think, 'Oh my god, this guy is old'" and indicates that he'll be pretty poor in front of the Select Committee...

Yeah, that's sort of what I was trying to convey a few pages back. I think people have a personal stress ceiling, which generally lowers as you get older. The impression I get is that Murdoch is just overwhelmed by this whole affair, and can't cope. I think he knows that James is not the brightest spark, which is why his successor was always going to be Rebekah Brooks. She was the only one on his radar who was calous and vindictive enough to take the reins. Now she's gone, of course he'll see his legacy crumbling. It must be a slow-motion train crash for him.

Fucking brilliant.

 

[spartacus mills]

Now she's gone, of course he'll see his legacy crumbling. It must be a slow-motion train crash for him.

Oh dear, how sad, nevermind.

 

[smokedout]

you keep saying no one got hurt from any of this. Which simply isn't true.

i actually said no-one died - i dont agree at all what happened to her, she wasnt in the public eye - but, i think its dangerous to extrapolate the reasons for her suicide

what if jeffery archer had topped himself, would that be a journalists fault?

 

[belboid]

Well, even McMullan thinks he played a very significant role in her death.

And you said 'no one got hurt' in 5576

 

[pk]

Tesco - "we do not believe that it is appropriate to withdraw our advertising from News International publications at this point"

 

[rorymac]

If he were to sincerely apologise I'd say let him bow out quietly. I get way more annoyed with those that are elected to know better than to allow all this stuff to get out of control. Fuckin idiots could have put a stop to it all 20 years ago or more if they had anything about them at all. Not saying they're all crap and I can imagine how hard it might have been for an MP trying to rustle a bit of support up to do exactly that when 99% of them wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.
Fackin Tony Blair !

 

[Kizmet]

Tesco - "we do not believe that it is appropriate to withdraw our advertising from News International publications at this point"

The hacklash begins?

 

[Pickman's model]

i actually said no-one died -[...] - but, i think its dangerous to extrapolate the reasons for her suicide

from 'no one died' to 'she died' in one easy step

 

[Pickman's model]

Tesco - "we do not believe that it is appropriate to withdraw our advertising from News International publications at this point"

that is, there are still people who read ni pubs and shop with us and if we didn't advertise they'd go to waitrose (times / sunday times) or lidl or sainsbury's (sun)

 

[ericjarvis]

says who, no-one got hurt, nothing got stolen

tbh, in the lights of brown's government attack on disabled claimants id say it was more than relevent

Are you trying to say that the only things that are morally wrong are theft and PHYSICALLY harming someone?

 

[smokedout]

Well, even McMullan thinks he played a very significant role in her death.

And you said 'no one got hurt' in 5576

i already said i was referring to the brown case

mcmullan may well think that, he's been disarmingly frank. but his guilty conscience doesnt change the fact that he wrote the piece in 1995 as far as i can tell, and it wasnt until 2003 that she killed herself. fwiw, as i say i dont think it should have been published, and all the way through ive been consistant that people not in the public eye should not have to face this intrusion - and it should be far easier to get redress, which at the moment is virtually impossible except for the rich. the fact the case also involved bribing a copper, whilst a side issue, is obviously criminal

but that has to be balanced against having a press which is free to examine, investigate and report on matters of public interest, and imo when it comes to celebs on matters the public are interested in, firstly because thats what they get paid so much for, secondly because legislating against that will always creep towards cases brought against reporting on the hypocrisy and misdeeds of the rich and powerful

whatever happens to NI, murdoch etc, when this dies down, privacy is going to be the central issue, because some of the pieces of human scum behind the hacked off campaign intend to make it so