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Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

This is exactly why you come across as some kind of comedy viz leftie. She's vacuous and annoying. She is not a nazi heifer. You can't even get the hang of doing insults properly. :(

Ms Klaas isn't broad enough in the beam to be a heifer, anyway.
 
This is exactly why you come across as some kind of comedy viz leftie. She's vacuous and annoying. She is not a nazi heifer. You can't even get the hang of doing insults properly. :(

Well I liked it and it obviously had an impact on you, given that you remembered it :D I was exaggerating for comic effect ofcourse, but I do think that individuals like Klass play incredibly malignant roles in society through using their celebrity to promote cosmetic surgery (which as far as I'm concerned is a close cousin of eugenics) and to give murderous tyrannies like Dubai the veneer of glitz and glamour. It is precisely through such seemingly benign mediums that ruling class values are transmitted in liberal democracies.
 
Ms Klaas isn't broad enough in the beam to be a heifer, anyway.

Well, quite!

Jeff said:
Well I liked it and it obviously had an impact on you, given that you remembered it I was exaggerating for comic effect ofcourse, but I do think that individuals like Klass play incredibly malignant roles in society through using their celebrity to promote cosmetic surgery (which as far as I'm concerned is a close cousin of eugenics) and to give murderous tyrannies like Dubai the veneer of glitz and glamour. It is precisely through such seemingly benign mediums that ruling class values are transmitted in liberal democracies.
Yeah it's possible to think she's an idiot re:the Dubai thing esp as an unmarried mother, she could be jailed over there, without saying silly things.
 
NYT on the yard

On Friday, The New York Times learned that the former editor, Neil Wallis, was reporting back to News International while he was working for the police on the hacking case.
He was working for his own company.
Yet the Metropolitan Police unit that deals with special crimes, which had more resources and time available, could have taken over the case, said four former senior investigators. One called the argument that the department did not have enough resources “utter nonsense.”

Another senior investigator said officials saw the inquiry as being in “safe hands” at the counterterrorism unit.
A News International spokeswoman said the company was reviewing whether it had paid Mr. Wallis at the same time.

“This is stunning,” a senior Scotland Yard official who retired within the past few years said when informed about Mr. Wallis’ secret dual role. “It appears to be collusion. It has left a terrible odor around the Yard.”

The documents were seized on Aug. 8, 2006, from Mr. Mulcaire’s home in Cheam, south of London. Mr. Mulcaire, a 40-year-old former soccer player whose nickname was “The Trigger,” was nothing if not a meticulous note-keeper.
Hmmmm seems Only Fools and Horses got lost in the transatlantic culture gulf
In the fall of 2006, Sir Ian Blair, then the police commissioner, had the option of assigning the case to the Specialist Crime Directorate, the division that handles homicides, robberies and the like. It had 3,500 detectives at its disposal and could have reviewed every document, several former officials said.

The man leading the unit, Tarique Ghaffur, was known among his colleagues for refusing to toe the line. Mr. Ghaffur had led an internal inquiry into the police harassment of a prominent black activist and concluded that the man had been the victim of “unreasonable targeting by police officers.”
Jesus the threads of this story keeps popping up every where.
 
New York Times

Scotland Yard’s new criminal inquiry, dubbed Operation Weeting, has led to the arrests of a total of nine reporters and editors, with more expected. And the police have opened another inquiry into allegations that some officers were paid for confidential information by reporters at News of the World and elsewhere.

The Metropolitan Police itself is now the subject of a judicial inquiry into what went wrong with their initial case, as well as into the ties between the department’s top officers and executives and reporters for News International.

At a parliamentary committee hearing last week, three current and former officials who ran the case were openly mocked. One member of Parliament dubbed an investigator “more Clouseau than Colombo.”

At the hearing, the senior investigator in charge of the day-to- day inquiry, Peter Clarke, blamed The News of the World’s “complete lack of cooperation” for the shortcomings in the department’s initial investigation.

While editors were not sharing any information, they were frequently breaking bread with police officers. Andy Hayman, who as head of the counterterrorism unit was running the investigation, also attended four dinners, lunches and receptions with News of the World editors, including a dinner on April 25, 2006, while his officers were gathering evidence in the case, records show. He told Parliament he never discussed the investigation with editors.

Mr. Hayman left the Metropolitan Police in December 2007 and was soon hired to write a column for The Sunday Times, a News International paper. He defended the inquiry that he led, writing in his column in July 2009 that his detectives had “left no stone unturned.”

Three months later, Mr. Wallis, the former deputy editor of The News of the World, was hired by Scotland Yard to provide strategic media advice on phone-hacking matters to the police commissioner, among others. Scotland Yard confirmed last week that the commissioner, Sir Paul, had personally approved nearly $40,000 in payments to Mr. Wallis for his work.

But when Mr. Wallis was interviewed last April by a New York Times reporter working on a story about the hacking, he did not disclose his new media role at Scotland Yard. In the interview, Mr. Wallis defended both the newspaper and the vigor of Scotland Yard’s initial investigation.
 
The whole thing repeatedly links into the anti terror operations and the good press coverage they were getting from NI.

"We are operating within the criminal justice system but that is difficult because we are right at the cutting edge of policing"

Id speculate that Haymans pressure on the Guardian to make the original Morgan murder investigation disappear (2000) when he was head of anti corruption in the Met was a big plus in him getting the anti terror job. That and his willingness to bend and break rules by spying on other cops illegally.

The irony is that the Morgan murder and Hayman and the press all resurface with these phone hacking allegations.
 
on Tuesday News International hired Edelman PR company and now they have sacked two key hated figures (sorry, they resigned), the old man has personally apologised to the Dowler family and they have run full page apologies in all the national press


I knew nothing on Edelman until today - they have "form" on various issues:

In April 1998 the Los Angeles Times revealed that Edelman had drafted a campaign plan to ensure that a dozen state attorneys-general did not join anti-trust legal actions against Microsoft. Documents obtained by the LA Times revealed that the plan included generating supportive letters to the editor, opinion pieces and articles by freelance writers.[17] USA Today responded to the astroturfing saying, "the elaborate plan hinges on a number of unusual and some say unethical tactics, including the planting of articles, letters to the editor and opinion pieces to be commissioned by Microsoft's top media handlers but presented by local firms as spontaneous testimonials."
(from Wikipedia)

The New York Times reported in March, 2006 that Edelman had sent information to bloggers, some of which was copied word for word on blogs, to try to help Wal-Mart in a public relations campaign. Edelman responded by saying that they were working with bloggers and Wal-Mart in a "transparent" manner.

Edelman is also infamous for having invented the "flog", or fake blog. Edelman execs created a fake blog called "Walmarting Across America". The blog was written by a former Washington Post employee who was allegedly paid by Edelman to write the blog.
(from Wikipedia)

See also Edelman's efforts (on behalf of some rather big-money organisations) to influence education policy in the States here
 
Edelman specialise in selling access to tory MPs. Lib-dem thief David Laws was caught pimping them in Parliament (his partner is a director). They have also been found guilty of breaking lobbying rules by failing to declare clients they were working for.
 
Thanks for the info there, butchersapron. So NI has chosen a PR firm with form w/MPs within our current government too....another Conservative - News Int link (and a Lib Dem one too - beautiful!).

I'm certainly late to the party on the Murdoch-Edelman hook-up, and there's a fair few comment pieces etc out there already - this one I found interesting from the PR angle side.
 
Stephensons health spa visit just cost him his job

Sky has now learnt that Sir Paul spent time at a health farm where Mr Wallis was a consultant.
When will the resignation be official? Place your bets
 
This has already been discussed in the thread but here is a link to the story

In 2000, Gillard and Flynn were working on freelance contracts for The Guardian investigating alleged police corruption. On 2 August, Hayman sent a "strictly confidential" letter to Rusbridger claiming that the actions of the pair could undermine an important case the Met was working on.

Gillard and Flynn were not shown the letter, taken off the police corruption story and subsequently did not have their Guardian contracts renewed.
Link
 
Just got a link to tomorrow's Sunday Torygraph, where the following is being talked about:

In a series of further developments, The Sunday Telegraph can also disclose today:

- James Murdoch’s position as chairman of BSkyB is under review after the board agreed a special session to discuss his future.

- Leading shareholders are calling on News Corp, the parent company, to sell its British newspaper titles because of fears the scandal will spread to America.

- Rupert Murdoch’s bid to purchase Formula One could also be derailed, according to Bernie Ecclestone, the sport’s supremo.

- Lawyers acting for David Beckham have contacted police, in the growing belief that the footballer and his wife, Victoria, were targeted by Glenn Mulcaire, a private investigator who worked for the News of the World. Sir Paul McCartney’s press aides claimed they were also hacked at the time of the former Beatle’s split from his second wife.

- Jude Law, the actor, was allegedly hacked by the News of the World while visiting the US, opening the way for prosecutions in America where News Corp has most to lose.

- Andy Coulson dined with the senior police chief investigating the phone hacking of Prince William in 2006 in the middle of the inquiry.

Full article is here
 
But perhaps one of these inquiries could ask the security services whether they alerted the government to evidence that a foreign national was hacking the phones of Her Majesty's Ministers - and if not, why not?

Because the very ideas of "foreign national" and "Her Majesty's Ministers" no longer apply in contemporary realpolitik. Nations are irrelevant. What counts is whether you are part of the international wealthy elite or not. If you are you get to do what you want anywhere in the world, and if you aren't then you can settle for scraps unless you get in the way in which case you will be trampled. There is some vestigial awareness left that it's not supposed to be that way, but that's about it.
 
Having personally dealt with Tesco on various issues, the more likely situation is: NI are over a barrel, advertisers pulling out left right and centre. We can get the level of advertising we've had for years but now only pay 25% of the previous rate or we'll threaten to pull out as well.

At least it will be remembered where Tesco's loyalties lie - complicit it funding people who hack the phones of dead kids.
 
and, i hope, her politics

There's a strand of repressive right wing reactionary politics that stems not from any belief that economic liberalism and conservatism will lead to a better world, but simply from a complete absence of any moral framework other than "other people shouldn't be allowed to get away with anything I can stop them getting away with". It's that I despise in Rebekah Brooks... and far too many others.

I can see somebody who genuinely believes that a genuine free market and/or a repressive government is simply mistaken. I can't see somebody like Brooks being anything other than a disgusting piece of slime dripping from the arsehole of humanity. However the politics could be identical.
 
Dexter TCN - you're right on the Sun/Jude Law thing. If it does turn out that Law's phone was also hacked by the NOTW, could there then be a clear link in collusion between the NOTW and the Sun on this (remember, the spin is that both titles operated separately from each other and didn't share stories)?
 
they operated separately and didn't share stories

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And if the Mirror Group had any sense they'd launch a Sunday rag pronto, but they're up to their necks in the same shit, as are the Daily Fail/Associated.

Twitter rumour now that DM&GT will launch a Sunday redtop next week edited by Kelvin MacKenzie :hmm:

Hopefully it's just a Giles Coren windup, because if it's not, I'm sure it covers about 2/3 of the foreplay in Revelations.
 
Twitter rumour now that DM&GT will launch a Sunday redtop next week edited by Kelvin MacKenzie :hmm:

Hopefully it's just a Giles Coren windup, because if it's not, I'm sure it covers about 2/3 of the foreplay in Revelations.

I think this was flagged by the Graun on Friday on their live feed thing...and if it is true, how on earth anyone would want to employ the utterly toxic McKenzie as a national newspaper editor in 2011 is beyond me....I can see the stories now - "Liverpool immigrant scum run welfare and prostitution racket at taxpayer's expense (oh, and they're filthy homosexuals too)"
 
Any ideas on who would want to buy or have the money to buy the sun.the print media although not so profitable as it was but still holds some prestige
 
So toxic not even the SE London villains settled into their Casa del Crimes along the Darent Valley wanted him in their golf club :D
 
Twitter rumour now that DM&GT will launch a Sunday redtop next week edited by Kelvin MacKenzie :hmm:

Hopefully it's just a Giles Coren windup, because if it's not, I'm sure it covers about 2/3 of the foreplay in Revelations.

If it hurts the profits of NI it 's a useful strawman. Kelvin is a cunt, won't take much to dismantle him once he has exceeded his usefulness.
 
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