Misogynist barbarians in Alabama impose forced pregnancy law

[beesonthewhatnow]

People who think these sort of assaults on women's bodily liberty and integrity are just some far away thing happening in the US are wrong. Abortion was almost totally prohibited in Northern Ireland until 2019 (including in cases of rape and incest). The European Court of Human Rights has consistently declined to find a right to an abortion, instead affording states a 'wide margin of appreciation' on the issue (this is basically the same as the US Supreme Court saying it's up to US States to decide). In 2020 judges in Poland's top court - largely appointed by the rightwing nationalist government - struck down a law permitting abortions in a narrow range of circumstances - in effect prohibiting virtually all abortions in the process. The Orban regime in Hungary have been pushing an anti-abortion agenda for many years now, and may now feel emboldened by developments in the US and Poland.

I'm quite confident that - in the short term at least - the European Court will start applying stricter standards in its assessment of Member States about their abortion laws - I predict Poland's approach will be found unlawful. In the longer run I'm worried however about whether the Court will survive the current rightwing populist rebellion against rights. Russia is already out and the Johnson regime is in the process of ripping up the Human Rights Act and some senior government officials are threatening to leave the Convention altogether. The Putin Model and the Johnson Model could well encourage other rightwing nationalists wanting to trash human rights, and especially the rights of women, minorities and the poor.

Quite. Anyone saying “it won’t happen here” really isn’t paying attention.

Brexit was never going to happen. Trump was never going to get elected. Nobody would be daft enough to let Johnson be PM. We’d never see a ground war with the possibility of it going nuclear in Europe again.

What has happened is a huge boost to people who want this worldwide. They are going to use it in every way possible.

 

[seeformiles]

People who think these sort of assaults on women's bodily liberty and integrity are just some far away thing happening in the US are wrong. Abortion was almost totally prohibited in Northern Ireland until 2019 (including in cases of rape and incest). The European Court of Human Rights has consistently declined to find a right to an abortion, instead affording states a 'wide margin of appreciation' on the issue (this is basically the same as the US Supreme Court saying it's up to US States to decide). In 2020 judges in Poland's top court - largely appointed by the rightwing nationalist government - struck down a law permitting abortions in a narrow range of circumstances - in effect prohibiting virtually all abortions in the process. The Orban regime in Hungary have been pushing an anti-abortion agenda for many years now, and may now feel emboldened by developments in the US and Poland.

I'm quite confident that - in the short term at least - the European Court will start applying stricter standards in its assessment of Member States about their abortion laws - I predict Poland's approach will be found unlawful. In the longer run I'm worried however about whether the Court will survive the current rightwing populist rebellion against rights. Russia is already out and the Johnson regime is in the process of ripping up the Human Rights Act and some senior government officials are threatening to leave the Convention altogether. The Putin Model and the Johnson Model could well encourage other rightwing nationalists wanting to trash human rights, and especially the rights of women, minorities and the poor.

The N.I. situation is shite. I had several friends who were nigh on traumatised by having to travel to London for an abortion. It’s not like there was an easy anonymous way to do it either as it was expensive - so you would get the early flight to London, have the procedure, rest up in a hotel and back the next day. If you were a young woman travelling alone on the early flight from Aldergrove, everyone knew why you were there. One friend said she could feel the disapproval

 

[8ball]

This is bleak - some security advice for women, to reduce their risk of prosecution:

Grim, but good advice.

 

[Red Cat]

Quite. Anyone saying “it won’t happen here” really isn’t paying attention.

Brexit was never going to happen. Trump was never going to get elected. Nobody would be daft enough to let Johnson be PM. We’d never see a ground war with the possibility of it going nuclear in Europe again.

What has happened is a huge boost to people who want this worldwide. They are going to use it in every way possible.

Is anyone saying it won't happen here? But it's not helpful to merge everything either so that everything becomes the same. NI is not representative of the UK is it? The NI situation is not new, it's very old. It's not the same as England.

It's also important to note that it might be a huge boost to activism world wide, my eldest and her friend and his mum are going on a protest today (I'd go myself but I already arranged to speak to an old friend who left the US 2 years ago due to the politics).

 

[Storm Fox]

This is bleak - some security advice for women, to reduce their risk of prosecution:

I read that thread, through and it highlighted something I hadn't thought of, which is having a miscarriage and then getting arrested.

 

[bluescreen]

I read that thread, through and it highlighted something I hadn't thought of, which is having a miscarriage and then getting arrested.

Already happening.

US women are being jailed for having miscarriages

More and more American women are facing prison for allegedly harming their unborn baby by using drugs.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Ax^]

hmm





Rep Mary Millar not trying to hide it anymore it appears

 

[bimble]

I don’t think she meant to say that not even freudianly, as it makes absolutely no sense. Those ‘great replacement’ people who worry about too many brown & black babies being born are not going to find this ruling helps ease their demographic predicament are they.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

hmm





Rep Mary Millar not trying to hide it anymore it appears

WTF?

 

[Ax^]

I don’t think she meant to say that not even freudianly, as it makes absolutely no sense. Those ‘great replacement’ people who worry about too many brown & black babies being born are not going to find this ruling helps ease their demographic predicament are they.

have you looked the women up Bimble. you know when someone has a whole section of their wiki talking about them quoting hitler.
the old it was a slip of the tongue line is harder to believe


and the pro choice and the believer in the great replacement thoery overlap quite a bit

 

[bimble]

have you looked the women up Bimble

and the pro choice and the believe in the great replacement thoery overlap quite a bit

Yes but it makes no sense for them or her to join these issues.


More interesting is trump happily & outspokenly claiming this as his legacy. The numbers suggest it is a clear minority of Americans who are in favour of forced pregnancy. Eg About six-in-ten Americans say abortion should be legal in all or most cases

 

[Ax^]

when did we start expecting racist crazy fuck wits to start making sense

have you seen the shite the believe in about the great replacement nonsense
or read books like the birth death and take it as fact

 

[bimble]

Ok. I don’t think it was anything but a fuckup in a speech but it doesn’t matter.

 

[Ax^]

aye it could be or the mask slipping a little bit her last verbal fuck up at a trump rally

‘Hitler was right on one thing,’ Republican congresswoman tells pro-Trump rally

Miller said in her speech:

“If we win a few elections, we’re still going to be losing unless we win the hearts and minds of our children. This is the battle. Hitler was right on one thing. He said, ‘Whoever has the youth has the future.’”

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

GOP candidate assaults Democratic candidate over Roe v. Wade decision:

Aspiring GOP senator suspends his campaign and faces losing his job

A Rhode Island cop was arrested and suspended his state senate campaign after a video emerged apparently showing him punching his Democratic female rival, during a Roe v. Wade protest.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Video in the link.

 

[bimble]

aye it could be or the mask slipping a little bit her last verbal fuck up at a trump rally

‘Hitler was right on one thing,’ Republican congresswoman tells pro-Trump rally

Well, that’s true tho isn’t it. Interesting to see that amongst under 30s across all political divides in America 3/4 are pro choice. So they’re not going to win this long term.

 

[Ax^]

republican white cop attacked political rival black congresswomen after she speaks at a rally being critical of the courts decision on roe vs wade

welcome to america

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Well, that’s true tho isn’t it. Interesting to see that amongst under 30s across all political divides in America 3/4 are pro choice. So they’re not going to win this long term.

They're not planning on the US being a democracy then (or now, if they can get away with it).

 

[bimble]

They're not planning on the US being a democracy then (or now, if they can get away with it).

True.

 

[Ax^]

voter apathy will be the biggest factor in the next election
and Biden not winning hearts and minds atm

hopefully this leads to action against what happened on friday

but it not like amercia is now burning after this decission

 

[bimble]

absolutely terrifying shit here, people have done a study trying to get at what this will practically mean just in year one, the numbers of women forced to carry unwanted foetuses because they cant travel to access care.

Predicted changes in abortion access and incidence in a post-Roe world - PubMed

A reversal or weakening of Roe is likely to increase spatial disparities in abortion access. This could translate to a reduction in abortion rates and an increase in unwanted births and self-managed abortions.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[bluescreen]

absolutely terrifying shit here, people have done a study trying to get at what this will practically mean just in year one, the numbers of women forced to carry unwanted foetuses because they cant travel to access care.

Predicted changes in abortion access and incidence in a post-Roe world - PubMed

A reversal or weakening of Roe is likely to increase spatial disparities in abortion access. This could translate to a reduction in abortion rates and an increase in unwanted births and self-managed abortions.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Horrific.
I reckon the Mormon woman I quoted upthread was onto something when she was focusing not on sex, not on pregnancy, but on irresponsible ejaculation. Using a condom or even pull-out for a few moments' slightly reduced pleasure can avoid a lifetime's misery for someone else. Why isn't this even a message?

 

[Ax^]

hey as someone from ireland i would like to thank whomever thought up the idea of the pull out method

without it there would not be so bloody many of us

 

[bluescreen]

hey as someone from ireland i would like to thank whomever thought up the idea of the pull out method

without it there would not be so bloody many of us

Yeah, it's not brilliant but it's better than doing nothing at all.

What is the Effectiveness of the Pull Out Method?

If you do it correctly, pulling out is a pretty effective way of preventing pregnancy. But it can be hard to do it the right way every time.

www.plannedparenthood.org

 

[Ax^]

this is doing the round again after friday
no she is quoting figures from the book btw the birth death





how stupid some of the beliefs of the Great Replacement are

 

[Ax^]

Yeah, it's not brilliant but it's better than doing nothing at all.

What is the Effectiveness of the Pull Out Method?

If you do it correctly, pulling out is a pretty effective way of preventing pregnancy. But it can be hard to do it the right way every time.

www.plannedparenthood.org

aye my da has nine siblings and my mother has 11

its very effective

 

[8ball]

aye my da has nine siblings and my mother has 11

its very effective

Whoah, a lot of birthdays to remember in your family..

 

[Pickman's model]

aye my da has nine siblings and my mother has 11

its very effective

ThInk how many aunts and uncles you might have had if your grandparents hadn't been taking precautions

 

[AmateurAgitator]

I don’t think she meant to say that not even freudianly

Tbh that was my impression of it aswell.

 

[Yossarian]

Mary Miller is a terrible person who probably has strong white supremacist sympathies, but I think I'm willing to accept her campaign's explanation that she's not very good at reading.

Miller’s spokesman, Isaiah Wartman, told the Associated Press that the Illinois Republican misread her prepared speech and was supposed to declare the divisive court ruling a victory for the “right to life.”