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I mean why would you I suppose. But there's quite a few MSPs and MPs who are quite vocal about their religious views.
Misogynist barbarians in Alabama impose forced pregnancy law
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Yuwipi Woman
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If white men lost their rights, or even believed they were about to, they actually would burn it to the ground. Look at Jan. 6 as an example.
I'm sure there are plenty of individuals who are anti-abortion, the question is whether they represent a cohesive political force, I don't think they do currently.
Also, he deleted it, if he was feeling very emboldened by local or national support for that stance, he wouldn't have done that.
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That depends on how you define "here".
Westminster legalised abortion in Northern Ireland just two years ago. The N. I. Assembly, which contains strong opponents and was unwilling to legislate on the issue, has since done nothing to make access to services within the borders of the entity available so women still have to travel to access them.
Abortion services in Northern Ireland almost nonexistent despite legalisation
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if by the people you mean racist misogynist right wing shits then yes, they have their finger on the pulse of publick opinion
I've friends in NYC who've been thinking of leaving the US for a while but looks like this is the straw that broke the camel's back for them. As a gay, mixed-race married couple, they feel like they're likely next in the firing line. (One is originally from S Carolina so his views are no doubt coloured by what he sees on his trips there.) 
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cousin's sent a video of his oldest daughter, 15, with megaphone leading a chant at a demo yesterday in ny. Strange mix of feelings, proud of her of course, happy she's this person, but also WTF sorrow that she has to fight this of all things, something we stupidly thought was a battle won by women generations before she was even born.
It was used as an example of a potential threat here, I don't think it is an example of that.
I think it was under threat for that long in the US though wasn't it? I haven't followed it, but as a background issue I've been aware of, it's always felt precarious.
It seems clear though that we can't take for granted any battles apparently won.
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don't think we ever could
But some events bring reality into sharper focus.
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i think some subjects are dearer to our hearts than others
l'Otters
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Pro choice is better because it is accurate. It’s about bodily autonomy.
Why do you think it isn’t?
What the fuck are you even on about?
littlebabyjesus
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Sorry to pick on this strand so much, but this is a very US-centric view. In large parts of the world, this battle has never been won. In some parts of the world, progress is being made, in others it isn't.
wrt the US, while the immediate consequences of this decision are appalling, I would still say it is too early to say what the long-term consequences will be. Republicans may yet live to regret nailing their banner to this particular mast. And the problem in the US specifically is that the battle was never properly won as long as it depended on this one court decision.
Well apart from a whole load of women being forced into pregnancies they don't want and a whole load of unwanted children being born. And potentially a whole load of women dying/being physically impaired as a result of backstreet abortions. FFS.
And yes, we all get your point that women's rights, including those to abortion, are terrible in many countries. But we're allowed to be fucking angry that in the US, things are going backwards. This whole 'yes, but, other countries' stuff you keep coming out with is really annoying tbh.
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I suppose that if we accept/ acknowledge that eroding reproductive rights isn't really about reproductive rights it's about subjugation of women, that opens up the discussion to include any and all signs of increasing misogynistic attitudes, and any increasing tolerance of that. Whether that's smuggled in under the guise of religion (an easy partnership) or something else (I can't imagine what right now but that doesn't mean it's impossible) kinda doesn't matter.
(The disgraceful policing of the Sarah Everard vigil springs to mind. That and everything around it (Couzen's impunity etc) was clear obvious open evidence of systemic misogyny amongst those tasked with protecting people, include women.)
If it's base misogyny that's the root issue, it will find any available for expression.
Anti-abortion works really well for this cos it pretty much necessitates all the other constraints, starting with contraception and sexual freedom and ending with dress codes and financial shackles.
But look. The "starting point" for this is in fact the root and core issue: the right to decide what happens to the body, and to the emotional material financial life as a result of childbearing. Men will never face this issue. Women always will.
The lunchtime news is reporting an anti-LGBT terrorist incident in Norway today. It really does look like rampant bigotry prejudice and hatred is generally on the rise, probably resulting from the more general lurch to the right, partisan and populist politics etc. Misogyny is, like, the most basic form of identity hatred.
This "it won't happen here" attitude has historically been really problematic. It leads to complacency and allows more determined actors a way in.
It's not (yet?) irresistible. There is pushback and small triumphs (le Pen not winning for e.g).
Unusually for when misogynistic shit happens, I'm not seeing much (public) discussion amongst my women friends. It's as if everyone is kinda speechless, struck dumb, by this.
littlebabyjesus
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I find the talking about the US as if it were the whole world annoying as well.Well apart from a whole load of women being forced into pregnancies they don't want and a whole load of unwanted children being born. And potentially a whole load of women dying/being physically impaired as a result of backstreet abortions. FFS.
And yes, we all get your point that women's rights, including those to abortion, are terrible in many countries. But we're allowed to be fucking angry that in the US, things are going backwards. This whole 'yes, but, other countries' stuff you keep coming out with is really annoying tbh.
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Most people's thoughts here are with the women in America who will be faced with either greater difficulties in getting abortions or information about abortions, or the women in the many states which have banned and are preparing to ban all abortions. The women who yesterday could exercise this choice over their bodies, over their fertility, and today can't. Who may have already had appointments cancelled.
This is a thread about America. If you want to discuss abortion provision everywhere or in other regions or countries there's no reason you can't start another thread. But I'm not sure someone who's worrying about how this might affect republicans in the future has that much worth reading to add to discussions
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Isn't that what he's saying, that pro-choice is the better term?
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This is where someone points out the hegemonic role the US plays which gives its domestic politics ripples across the world
BristolEcho
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That's how I was reading it.
I think this is the issue and it's that we need to be aware of, not so much as to whether we can be sure that will organise around exactly the same issues in different social contexts.
Well apart from a whole load of women being forced into pregnancies they don't want and a whole load of unwanted children being born. And potentially a whole load of women dying/being physically impaired as a result of backstreet abortions. FFS.
And yes, we all get your point that women's rights, including those to abortion, are terrible in many countries. But we're allowed to be fucking angry that in the US, things are going backwards. This whole 'yes, but, other countries' stuff you keep coming out with is really annoying tbh.
It might also be important for our sense of our own political power to note differences.
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There was an op ed bit on the guardian website which talked of this being a time to mourn the ruined lives this would lead to but I'm put in mind of Joe Hill's famous line, don't mourn - organise.
izz
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Pondering writing to SCOTUS. Won't make any difference of course but hey, I may feel better.
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ElizabethofYork
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It's more important than ever that women have access to effective contraception, and are properly educated about how to use it.
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Who are the 1 in 4 American women who choose abortion?
In an essay originally published by The Conversation, Luu Ireland writes about the abortion debate from the perspective of an obstetrician/gynecologist who understands the stories of the 1 in 4 women who choose abortion.
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