Misogynist barbarians in Alabama impose forced pregnancy law

[izz]

are you going to deliver it by brick?

splendid idea !

 

[editor]

(Apols if already posted)

 

[Ax^]

saw the report last night on this , these people so pro life they are willing to mow people down with trucks

 

[8ball]

Unusually for when misogynistic shit happens, I'm not seeing much (public) discussion amongst my women friends. It's as if everyone is kinda speechless, struck dumb, by this.

Some things need a little time to process, I suppose.

 

[David Clapson]

Pro choice is better because it is accurate. It’s about bodily autonomy.

Why do you think it isn’t?

What the fuck are you even on about?

I'm saying pro choice is better than pro abortion. Why the fuck do you get a simple post backwards?

 

[David Clapson]

Not for you to police people's language.

And I'm sure the protesters are already fucking angry. Among other things.

They're fracturing the movement and losing support with their bizarre misuse of language. They're policing the language of people who say 'pro-choice'.

 

[Ax^]

because its been pro choice for about 40 years or so


people were confused by it suddenly becoming Pro abortion


its not like being anti or Pro the medical procedure

but saying pro abortion is utalised by the pro life brigade as a weapon

against the rest of the population with half a clue about the realities as pro choice

 

[Nylock]

It's true there are extremists here who take their cue from what happens in America. I believe and hope that they won't get much traction or support here.

Religion is the rallying point of the anti abortionists in America. The churches and republicans are so tied together. Here through, religion is less a feature of public life. I think a politician or political candidate being very vocal about their religion would put voters off here. The exact opposite of America. I hope it stays that way here

The societal cancer that is American (and American style) evangelism has been here for years and is spreading.

I find the talking about the US as if it were the whole world annoying as well.

This is a thread about the us...

 

[David Clapson]

Why are you calling it pro-abortion?

I'm not. The protesters are. This ought to be apparent to all in this thread. E.g. rhe much discussed incident where the pickup drove at protesters was at a pro-abortion protest, not a pro-choice protest. The twitter streams from the protesters are full of arguments about the choice of words. Why am I the only one who's noticed? Has everyone forgotten how to read?

 

[Ax^]

cannie have a go at anyone being vague

 

[David Clapson]

It's more important than ever that women have access to effective contraception, and are properly educated about how to use it.

Who are the 1 in 4 American women who choose abortion?

In an essay originally published by The Conversation, Luu Ireland writes about the abortion debate from the perspective of an obstetrician/gynecologist who understands the stories of the 1 in 4 women who choose abortion.

www.umassmed.edu

Here's a detailed Washington Post article about the medical side of those abortions archive.ph Very instructive, especially for those men who think of an abortion as a casual thing which can be an easy method of birth control.

 

[Red Cat]

I'm not. The protesters are. This ought to be apparent to all in this thread. E.g. rhe much discussed incident where the pickup drove at protesters was at a pro-abortion protest, not a pro-choice protest. The twitter streams from the protesters are full of arguments about the choice of words. Why am I the only one who's noticed? Has everyone forgotten how to read?

I don't read twitter, you need to explain your context better to people who don't share it/ not in your head.

 

[bluescreen]

This is a great provocative thread from 2018 from a Mormon mother of six arguing that the problem of abortion could be solved without recourse to legislation, because abortion isn't the real problem... And no, she's not arguing for female chastity either.
I guess her Swiftian suggestions never gained the traction they deserved.

Thread by @designmom on Thread Reader App

@designmom: I’m a mother of six, and a Mormon. I have a good understanding of arguments surrounding abortion, religious and otherwise. I've been listening to men grandstand about women's reproductive rights, and I'm...…

threadreaderapp.com

 

[David Clapson]

I don't read twitter, you need to explain your context better to people who don't share it/ not in your head.

You don't need to go to twitter to read this, which has pro-abortion in big letters Misogynist barbarians in Alabama impose forced pregnancy law But if you want to be well informed you really do need to go to twitter. It takes seconds to open an account

 

[Red Cat]

You don't need to go to twitter to read this, which has pro-abortion in big letters Misogynist barbarians in Alabama impose forced pregnancy law But if you want to be well informed you really do need to go to twitter. It takes seconds to open an account

I don't need to be told what to read and how to inform myself, I'm a grown-up adult woman, I make my own decisions and trust my own judgement.

I did see that picture and didn't notice it said pro-abortion because that style of communication encourages poor attention.

 

[spring-peeper]

You don't need to go to twitter to read this, which has pro-abortion in big letters Misogynist barbarians in Alabama impose forced pregnancy law But if you want to be well informed you really do need to go to twitter. It takes seconds to open an account

Another for vote not going onto twitter as the only way to be well informed!!!

 

[tim]

The societal cancer that is American (and American style) evangelism has been here for years and is spreading.

This is a thread about the us...

Evangelical Christianity and indeed Roman Catholicism, which in reality has been more central to the anti-abortion campaign than evangelical groups, are in decline here and in decline in the United States. We should fight for the rights of ourselves and others rather than indulging in apocalyptic despair.

 

[tim]

I'm not. The protesters are. This ought to be apparent to all in this thread. E.g. rhe much discussed incident where the pickup drove at protesters was at a pro-abortion protest, not a pro-choice protest. The twitter streams from the protesters are full of arguments about the choice of words. Why am I the only one who's noticed? Has everyone forgotten how to read?

Are you implying that these women brought it upon themselves by saying they were "Pro-abortion" rather than "Pro-choice"?

 

[Nylock]

Evangelical Christianity and indeed Roman Catholicism, which in reality has been more central to the anti-abortion campaign than evangelical groups, are in decline here and in decline in the United States. We should fight for the rights of ourselves and others rather than indulging in apocalyptic despair.

I'm not indulging in despair. US style evangelism is here and it is spreading. These types don't need to be in a majority, just a suitably powerful or well-placed minority to effect their desired changes. You only need to look at what's going on in the US to see that and no amount of complacency about religion's decline is going to alter that.

 

[SpookyFrank]

but saying pro abortion is utalised by the pro life brigade as a weapon

Looks from here like those arseholes have all the weapons they need already. So people might as well say whatever they mean, using whatever form of words seems appropriate.

 

[Pickman's model]

Here's a detailed Washington Post article about the medical side of those abortions archive.ph Very instructive, especially for those men who think of an abortion as a casual thing which can be an easy method of birth control.

Tbh it's not up to men, it's up to women who should be given the fucking choice.

 

[Pickman's model]

You don't need to go to twitter to read this, which has pro-abortion in big letters Misogynist barbarians in Alabama impose forced pregnancy law But if you want to be well informed you really do need to go to twitter. It takes seconds to open an account

Do you think it's a good look, a man telling women what language they should use on abortion rights rallies?

 

[Jeff Robinson]

People who think these sort of assaults on women's bodily liberty and integrity are just some far away thing happening in the US are wrong. Abortion was almost totally prohibited in Northern Ireland until 2019 (including in cases of rape and incest). The European Court of Human Rights has consistently declined to find a right to an abortion, instead affording states a 'wide margin of appreciation' on the issue (this is basically the same as the US Supreme Court saying it's up to US States to decide). In 2020 judges in Poland's top court - largely appointed by the rightwing nationalist government - struck down a law permitting abortions in a narrow range of circumstances - in effect prohibiting virtually all abortions in the process. The Orban regime in Hungary have been pushing an anti-abortion agenda for many years now, and may now feel emboldened by developments in the US and Poland.

I'm quite confident that - in the short term at least - the European Court will start applying stricter standards in its assessment of Member States about their abortion laws - I predict Poland's approach will be found unlawful. In the longer run I'm worried however about whether the Court will survive the current rightwing populist rebellion against rights. Russia is already out and the Johnson regime is in the process of ripping up the Human Rights Act and some senior government officials are threatening to leave the Convention altogether. The Putin Model and the Johnson Model could well encourage other rightwing nationalists wanting to trash human rights, and especially the rights of women, minorities and the poor.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

As far as word choice goes, I'm good with "anti-involuntary servitude."

 

[l'Otters]

Isn't that what he's saying, that pro-choice is the better term?

Honestly it read the opposite to me, hence responding with WTF

 

[l'Otters]

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[David Clapson]

Are you implying that these women brought it upon themselves by saying they were "Pro-abortion" rather than "Pro-choice"?

Oh fuck off.

 

[David Clapson]

I don't need to be told what to read and how to inform myself, I'm a grown-up adult woman, I make my own decisions and trust my own judgement.

I did see that picture and didn't notice it said pro-abortion because that style of communication encourages poor attention.

So you're letting the press process the news for you. That's not making your own decisions or trusting your judgement.

If you use Twitter shrewdly you can go to journalists' sources, read their unedited words and find things out hours or days before they get into the papers, that's if they do at all.

It does take longer, and perhaps you don't have enough time to spare. I do it partly because I don't trust papers to give me the full picture. I used to write for some of them, and the compromises they make are very dispiriting.

 

[bimble]

can this thread not turn into stupid fighting about twitter and david clapson please.

 

[David Clapson]

This is bleak - some security advice for women, to reduce their risk of prosecution: