Urban75 Home About Offline BrixtonBuzz Contact

Matrix IV

I don't hate the sequels as much as some do, from the two films, one good sequel could have been made. I think there are fan edits out there to prove it. Never been that huge a fan of The Matrix anyway but maybe with the long pause since the last film, Lana Wachowski has had some fresh ideas. At least technically it's bound to be interesting and I'm always up for some Keanu.

Everything the Wachowski's have done since the Matrix films has flopped financially, so no wonder Lana Wachowski is trying to revive her fortunes with another installment of their one major hit. Lilly wasn't up for it and maybe wisely, she has changed pace. She's the show runner of the highly acclaimed but small scale non-genre tv series Work in Progress.
 
Like everyone else here, I hold to the view that the first film was great and the second and third were embarrasingly bad shit. I do wonder why Keanu is making a 4 though, I gain the impression he lives modestly and gives much of his dosh away so money may not be his biggest motivation.
 
MickiQ said:
Like everyone else here, I hold to the view that the first film was great and the second and third were embarrasingly bad shit. I do wonder why Keanu is making a 4 though, I gain the impression he lives modestly and gives much of his dosh away so money may not be his biggest motivation.
Click to expand...
More money to give away !

Keanu isn't a hugely versatile actor, but he's a great action star and those are the roles he takes. Actors often develop good relationships with directors, so they work with them repeatedly, often out of loyalty. Maybe the screenplay was actually promising, it's attracted a great amount of talent. It's unimaginative to assume that the only motivating incentive for an artist to do something is money.
 
Last edited:
Reno said:
More money to give away !

Keanu isn't a hugely versatile actor, but he's a great action star and those are the roles he takes. Actors often develop good relationships with the directors they work with, so they work with them repeatedly, sometimes out of loyalty. Maybe the screenplay was actually promising, it's attracted a great amount of talent. It's unimaginative to assume that the only motivating incentive for an artist to do something is money.
Click to expand...
Michael Caine was once ask what is the secret to your longevity? (Around the time of scoring the Batman's butler gig)

His response was basically I'll do any old shit they ask me to do and I don't get precious about the fee.
 
Gromit said:
Michael Caine was once ask what is the secret to your longevity? (Around the time of scoring the Batman's butler gig)

His response was basically I'll do any old shit they ask me to do and I don't get precious about the fee.
Click to expand...
Caine is also a greedy, tax dodging, Tory voting sack of shit. Keanu Reeves on the other hand is the nicest man who ever walked the earth. :)
 
The Matrix sequels had too many interesting ideas, badly executed.
Sense8 was amazing though
This looks like a laugh, and for once I approve of the EPIC remix of a classic tune trailer music.
 
As Reno said previously, I don’t see Reeves as a film merchant. That doesn’t guarantee this will be good of course, but he’s not one to say yes to any role offer for the sake of a paycheque (Speed 2 comes to mind). He’s also more than happy to be in fairly low-profile and surely badly paid independent stuff, such as the criminally underrated Swedish Dicks.

Having said that, he did agree to be in the Matrix sequels, so his judgement is not necessarily foolproof. But a movie mercenary he ain’t.
 
Reno said:
I don't hate the sequels as much as some do, from the two films, one good sequel could have been made. I think there are fan edits out there to prove it. Never been that huge a fan of The Matrix anyway but maybe with the long pause since the last film, Lana Wachowski has had some fresh ideas. At least technically it's bound to be interesting and I'm always up for some Keanu.

Everything the Wachowski's have done since the Matrix films has flopped financially, so no wonder Lana Wachowski is trying to revive her fortunes with another installment of their one major hit. Lilly wasn't up for it and maybe wisely, she has changed pace. She's the show runner of the highly acclaimed but small scale non-genre tv series Work in Progress.
Click to expand...
Their last film was Jupiter Ascending. There is a very good reason why it flopped financially. I can't say I have very high expectations of a new Matrix film.
 
Reno said:
I don't hate the sequels as much as some do, from the two films, one good sequel could have been made. I think there are fan edits out there to prove it. Never been that huge a fan of The Matrix anyway but maybe with the long pause since the last film, Lana Wachowski has had some fresh ideas. At least technically it's bound to be interesting and I'm always up for some Keanu.

Everything the Wachowski's have done since the Matrix films has flopped financially, so no wonder Lana Wachowski is trying to revive her fortunes with another installment of their one major hit. Lilly wasn't up for it and maybe wisely, she has changed pace. She's the show runner of the highly acclaimed but small scale non-genre tv series Work in Progress.
Click to expand...
From a purely objective standpoint the sequels weren’t absolutely terrible, but what destroyed it for me was the complete overturn of the original film’s ending. I don’t mind stories with bad endings, but M2 turned what had been a feel-good great story with a positive outcome in M1 completely on its head, and fucking cheaply as well. Almost like a reverse ’Ahhh Bobby didn’t die, it was all a bad dream’ in Dallas.

For me it’s a similar problem with the Terminator franchise. T2 gets away with it because it tallies with the original film. The rest can GTFO.
 
T & P said:
From a purely objective standpoint the sequels weren’t absolutely terrible, but what destroyed it for me was the complete overturn of the original film’s ending. I don’t mind stories with bad endings, but M2 turned what had been a feel-good great story with a positive outcome in M1 completely on its head, and fucking cheaply as well. Almost like a reverse ’Ahhh Bobby didn’t die, it was all a bad dream’ in Dallas.

For me it’s a similar problem with the Terminator franchise. T2 gets away with it because it tallies with the original film. The rest can GTFO.
Click to expand...

Apart from The Sarah Connor Chronicles, which was ace.
 
it looks a bit john wick in the matrix i must admit as reeves has the long hair

just with medication to begin with instead of guns


will admit kinda like the trailer because of the white rabbit song influnence and hearing the track :facepalm:
 
T & P said:
From a purely objective standpoint the sequels weren’t absolutely terrible, but what destroyed it for me was the complete overturn of the original film’s ending. I don’t mind stories with bad endings, but M2 turned what had been a feel-good great story with a positive outcome in M1 completely on its head, and fucking cheaply as well. Almost like a reverse ’Ahhh Bobby didn’t die, it was all a bad dream’ in Dallas.

For me it’s a similar problem with the Terminator franchise. T2 gets away with it because it tallies with the original film. The rest can GTFO.
Click to expand...
If The Matrix is a "feel-good great story" then 1984 is a romantic comedy.
 
Reno said:
If The Matrix is a "feel-good great story" then 1984 is a romantic comedy.
Click to expand...
Fair point :D I meant to say the suggested outcome at the end though.

You don’t make an afterthought sequel of a landmark film that had a premise of an epic struggle against an evil antagonist that is eventually beaten against all odds, by pretending nothing was actually gained by the victory in the original film. And furthermore suggesting the enemy has been winning the same battle over and over for decades, and thus reducing the already slim chances humankind had with every instance.

Completely killed the story, for me anyway.
 
T & P said:
Fair point :D I meant to say the suggested outcome at the end though.

You don’t make an afterthought sequel of a landmark film that had a premise of an epic struggle against an evil antagonist that is eventually beaten against all odds, by pretending nothing was actually gained by the victory in the original film. And furthermore suggesting the enemy has been winning the same battle over and over for decades, and thus reducing the already slim chances humankind had with every instance.

Completely killed the story, for me anyway.
Click to expand...
Before every blockbuster was conceived as a start to or as part of a franchise, which is the current Hollywood business model, that's what sequels did. The original film was conceived as a stand-alone, often with a happy end, it was a huge hit and then the studio demanded a sequel. Then the happy end has to be overturned, because you need conflict for a new movie. I don't have a problem with there being sequels to The Matrix, just with the Wachowski's getting so caught up in their mythology to make two sequels which were wildly overextend. The Matrix never was a film I felt huge emotional investment in, it was a technically innovative spin on an classic sci-fi concept but not much more.
 
I will first rewatch the earlier films, as I read that the new film, being a meta-sequel, which references the first three films extensively. Reviews on this are mixed to positive, but they make it sound more ambitious and interesting than the average sequel.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

beesonthewhatnow
Star Wars IV as one huge scrollable infographic
Replies
4
Views
507
T & P
T & P
Kid_Eternity
Sense8 - Netflix original by The Matrix & Babylon 5 creators
3 4 5 6 7
Replies
189
Views
12K
krtek a houby
krtek a houby
not-bono-ever
Spiral IV
Replies
13
Views
687
not-bono-ever
not-bono-ever
S
The Matrix sequels
2
Replies
54
Views
14K
Gromit
Gromit
friedaweed
Ivor Cutler @ 90 R4 Teeneet
Replies
4
Views
644
kittyP
kittyP
Back
Top Bottom