mass grave of 800 infants found at Galway 'fallen women' home

[DotCommunist]

Clearly a spoof. Look at the other headlines.

oh right, so I called it correct first time- just reading the article gives it away as well.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I've mentioned the fact that similar things happened here, in the Residential Schools set up by the churches, to 'civilize' aboriginal children. The death rates at these schools were an atrocity. Some of the things occurring at these schools, were and are a monstrous crime.

One difference between Canada at that time, and Ireland, was that there was a bit of the frontier about the West back then. Maybe the force of law wasn't always as strong as it should have been. Maybe it was easier for matters to slip through the cracks. Maybe it was easier for sadists and other unscrupulous people to get away with things.

But Ireland wasn't the frontier. None of the factors that might apply in Western Canada in earlier times, applied there.

Except for one common denominator: the involvement of the Church.

 

[fogbat]

oh right, so I called it correct first time- just reading the article gives it away as well.

Yep, that too. Satire might be a better word than spoof, I suppose.

 

[Betsy]

Clearly a spoof. Look at the other headlines.

Waterford Whisperer is an Irish Daily Mash

Apologies.
I've heard of the Daily Mash but not the Waterford Whisperer...
I still think some things are not suitable for making spoofs of and this is one.

 

[DotCommunist]

I've mentioned the fact that similar things happened here, in the Residential Schools set up by the churches, to 'civilize' aboriginal children. The death rates at these schools were an atrocity. Some of the things occurring at these schools, were and are a monstrous crime.

One difference between Canada at that time, and Ireland, was that there was a bit of the frontier about the West back then. Maybe the force of law wasn't always as strong as it should have been. Maybe it was easier for matters to slip through the cracks. Maybe it was easier for sadists and other unscrupulous people to get away with things.

But Ireland wasn't the frontier. None of the factors that might apply in Western Canada in earlier times, applied there.

Except for one common denominator: the involvement of the Church.

civil war, news state etc- not to excuse but they were setting up a new state- look at the blog idriss posted on pg 2 about the sweepstakes. Rotten from the start

 

[fogbat]

Apologies.
I've heard of the Daily Mash but not the Waterford Whisperer...
I still think some things are not suitable for making spoofs of and this is one.

Satire doesn't have to be nice.

I read it as an angry reflection on the church's power. Not laughing at dead kids.

 

[Idris2002]

christ, its not a spoof-

It is and it isn't: the bits I've underlined are true -

“Well, I’m 55 so a bit before my time but when we used to visit my aunt up in Donegal, she would tell us to stay away from the fields down the road because there were babies buried there but if only someone knew about it,” John Drummond, a Dublin native explained, “It’s all changed now though in fairness,” John said of a country that saw 196 children in state care die between the years 2000 and 2010.

“I can’t believe it. What vile creatures must have worked there?” shared a visibly upset Ciaran Giles, from Tipperary,”like there was a Magdalene laundry down the road from my house or so my father tells me but like no one knew, well they knew but they didn’t, you know?”

Others on the streets tried to find some solace at the discovery of the mass grave. “Well, obviously those in the laundries have been compensated, Ireland’s moved on,” shared student Lauren Greene of a country that has yet to pay compensation in full to Magdalene laundry survivors.

“It was a different time, so arguments and the like create a false dichotomy,” shared 24-year-old Sean Cullen, who was told as a child to avoid to walking home by the priest’s house for some reason, “ha yeah, that’s weird isn’t it? Because obviously my parents didn’t know the priest raped children or else they would have done something about it,” he added.​

That second one: my sister knows a bloke who claimed to her that his parents took him aside one day and told him to never be alone in the same room with a priest.

 

[Idris2002]

I've mentioned the fact that similar things happened here, in the Residential Schools set up by the churches, to 'civilize' aboriginal children. The death rates at these schools were an atrocity. Some of the things occurring at these schools, were and are a monstrous crime.

One difference between Canada at that time, and Ireland, was that there was a bit of the frontier about the West back then. Maybe the force of law wasn't always as strong as it should have been. Maybe it was easier for matters to slip through the cracks. Maybe it was easier for sadists and other unscrupulous people to get away with things.

But Ireland wasn't the frontier. None of the factors that might apply in Western Canada in earlier times, applied there.

Except for one common denominator: the involvement of the Church.

When we lived in Moosefactory for a year, it was still seen (1975) as very much the hardship posting of the Ontario medical system, and if memory serves it was nowhere near as far north or west as some of the places where the crimes of the Residential Schools went down.

 

[Idris2002]

I note that our local Northern Republican Faith and Fatherland contingent have been conspicuous by their absence from this thread.

 

[Greebo]

Surely no one would joke about such a thing.

"just resting" is a nod to Father Ted where he claims that some money was "just resting in my account" - it's a spoof.

 

[Idris2002]

From top news site Waterford Whispers:

“What A Complete Fucking Shithole” Kim Kardashian Says Leaving Ireland

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/20...shithole-kim-kardashian-says-leaving-ireland/

 

[Citizen66]

Surprised this hasn't been picked up by the mainstream media yet.

The Mail have reported on it today.

 

[Betsy]

"just resting" is a nod to Father Ted where he claims that some money was "just resting in my account" - it's a spoof.

That went right over my head.

I did,in all honesty,find the article a little unbelievable but didn't think about it being a spoof.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Plenty of non-muderous cunts gulity by vurtue of their indoctrination and their fear. And still these superstitions are taught to children as fact. Today, right now.

Well, I'm with you on that, although I'd argue that "lay" believers aren't "murderous cunts", so much as willing dupes, and by "murderous cunts", I mean the nuns, the local, regional and national church hierarchies that sanctioned this inhumanity, as well as the doctors and local functionaries who must have been complicit for this abomination to have been kept quiet. The Catholic Church should pay less attention to the soul, which is after all, eternal by their scripture, and more to the corporeal form they believe those souls are placed in, otherwise what are people to them but sheep to be fleeced?

 

[weltweit]

Ireland needs to get its act together on this, I wonder if anyone there is putting pressure to get an investigation going, I bet there are people.

 

[likesfish]

The state Might have been new but the catholic church best part of a 1000 years in ireland no real excuse.

Civil war,revoultion the nazis being a colony might explain an atrocity like that but Ireland wasnt in a state of civil war at the time.

 

[weltweit]

You know fine well that nobody will see the inside of a court or a gaol cell over this.

Because Ireland.

I don't know fine well .... why the flip wouldn't Ireland care about something like this?

 

[eatmorecheese]

I don't know fine well .... why the flip wouldn't Ireland care about something like this?

People are looked after, backs are covered. Many people would rather not know, want to see it buried and forgotten.

It's unlikely, imo, that anyone will be held accountable for this or any other yet to be discovered similar scenario. But the truth needs to come out and be on record. Officially. These children's lives need to be recognised, honoured and commemorated.

This story has been a slow-burner for me. I try not to think about it too much, but the mounting horror makes me a) physically sick, and b) full of blistering anger and sadness.

I'm fucking glad I survived eight years in the care of a Catholic institution, although one separated in every sense from the realities of life for these children.

Life! In a Catholic context, the word sounds sick to me.

 

[weltweit]

People are looked after, backs are covered. Many people would rather not know, want to see it buried and forgotten.

I would be disillusioned if something as big as this could be brushed under the carpet!

It's unlikely, imo, that anyone will be held accountable for this or any other yet to be discovered similar scenario. But the truth needs to come out and be on record. Officially. These children's lives need to be recognised, honoured and commemorated.

This story has been a slow-burner for me. I try not to think about it too much, but the mounting horror makes me a) physically sick, and b) full of blistering anger and sadness.

I'm fucking glad I survived eight years in the care of a Catholic institution, although one separated in every sense from the realities of life for these children.

Life! In a Catholic context, the word sounds sick to me.

 

[8den]

Surely no one would joke about such a thing.

You're not used to Irish humour. It's a tad black.

 

[Ld222]

Millions of people died of starvation in Ireland just 70 odd years before this happened, there are Mass graves in every town and village in Ireland. At hands of one imperial force or another Ireland has suffered greatly down through the centuries.


The Great Irish Potato Famine

http://irishpotatofamine.net/

 

[not-bono-ever]

hang all priests.

 

[sleaterkinney]

When you thought:

a) it was appropriate

and/or

b) you'd get away with it.

So the question to the individuals who did it and to the Catholic church in Ireland is which was it; a or b?


Louis MacNeice

A and B, and the Gardai, Health boards etc have questions to answer too, but there's no appetite for it, there isn't much of an idea of questioning authority at all.

 

[weepiper]

In the Washington Post now

 

[weepiper]

Contemporary account of the previous building to the Tuam Home

21st June 1924.

I learn that the Local Government Department is anxious to extend the boarding-out system to little girls and boys from these homes of nine years. Better a thousand times that these children should remain in some sort of industrial centre where they would learn a craft and be under the control of sympathetic sisters than they should be put to the shame that might be theirs in a home in the hard world outside, where they would learn their origins before they had been given the opportunity to outlive it and to form their characters.

The mortality has been low: a few of the older children died from whooping cough, but the death rate amongst the infants has been higher than it ought to have been because of the difficulties of rearing motherless babies. Whenever possible, mothers should be sent with their charges. It is the negation of justice that nameless little ones should be sent to a home, whilst the parents go free of responsibility.

Quite chilling.

 

[weepiper]

Tuam Herald, 1907.

From here

 

[cesare]

Bon Secours a nursing order

 

[DotCommunist]

those fucking scum. I've tried not to say cos I don't want to look sectarian but they are scum. To treat anyone so, to treat their children so. It's beyond cruel, its that special kind of cruelty that comes from true believers. I wish I believed there really was a god who would make them pay, cos the fucking authorities temporal will not.

 

[weepiper]

Oh this is awful, people knew something was very wrong there at the time. From 1961.

 

[weepiper]

1937.

the smell from the cesspool was intolerable