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mass grave of 800 infants found at Galway 'fallen women' home

Unmarried women become pregnant, often as a result of rape. The Church says, 'no abortion - it's a sin!'

So the kids are born, are orphans who receive execrable treatment from their Church minders, until some of them die - lots of them die - and their bodies are thrown into a septic tank by the same Church minders.

At which part of that scenario does God's grace make an appearance?
 
I think they obviously forgot the more basic tenets of Christianity. E.g. Judgemental to the point of treating innocent children as refuse. Quite horrific. It is persecution and should be brought to public attention so as to at the very least shame those associated. Though it may be too late I'm not sure. They are long dead but it still matters. Is it murder we are talking about?
 
This whole story is both shocking and unsurprising.
I grew up in Ireland in the 70s, went to a convent school, and a large proportion of the nuns teaching there were very, very scary, cruel, and violent women. I clearly remember how they used to treat the travellers' kids, it wasn't pretty.
I am remembering an abandoned orphanage near the village which was said to be haunted, people just didn't go there. I wonder how many other sites there are filled with tiny skeletons. It's sickening. But not susprising.
 
The silence is deafening,its almost as if the Church, State, Gardai, Judiciary, Medical profession, Depts of Health, Education and Justice might somehow be directly implicated.....
 
likesfish said:
Tbf I think the collusion of state and catholic church together is a uniquely irish thing.
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http://www.historicalnovels.info/Francos-Orphanages.html

"Spain in the 1940s was utterly impoverished. Much of the country's infrastructure had been wrecked in the war, social dislocation was enormous, there were a succession of bad harvests and Franco's administration was corrupt and chaotic. Observers in Spanish cities reported the many children, often sick or crippled, hawking cigarettes and begging in the streets, or living rough in feral gangs.
The government's response to the problem was to bring in the Spanish Catholic church, which historically held great power and had had a virtual monopoly of schools and orphanages. With the exception of the Basque country, the church throughout Spain had been entirely on the side of Franco's rebels."
 
Your right buckaroo although spain might have some explantion facist dictatorship disasterous civil war ireland by the 50s didnt have that excuse :(
Even so throwing babies into a septic tank theres no excuse for that ever:facepalm:
 
Batboy said:
Apparently the Irish Nuns are offering 200 million in compensation, not sure of the validity of that statement, but it's a shitload of money and highlights just what a religious mafia the Catholic Church is...
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If they think that money can clean away the damage done to those children, not just before death but after it (nuns are supposed to believe that souls and an afterlife exist), they can think again. :mad:
 
The relationship between church and state in Ireland is a fucking disgrace. Even now, Kenny might have spoken out year or two back but he's still going to mass every fucking Sunday, still listening to the church on social matters, going to confession all because the church is a pillar of state and there are votes in it.

The class position of the church hierarchy meant there will always be a cover up.

I don't just lay this disgrace at the door of the church, it lies with De Valera and his fucking ilk too.
 
Humberto said:
I think they obviously forgot the more basic tenets of Christianity. E.g. Judgemental to the point of treating innocent children as refuse. Quite horrific. It is persecution and should be brought to public attention so as to at the very least shame those associated. Though it may be too late I'm not sure. They are long dead but it still matters. Is it murder we are talking about?
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Death through neglect can be murder, or it can be manslaughter. The difference lies in the intentions of those who did the neglecting.
 
These nuns believed what they were doing was righteous and holy. They believed that they were making the world a better place -- that even the children that died were better off dead than being raised by "unworthy", sinful single mothers, and that they were doing the most good possible by marshalling their resources to sell the healthy children to "good families" while leaving the weak to die.

Yes, they were making profit from this twisted endeavour, but they wouldn't have been able to keep doing it for decades on end unless they'd managed to justify it to themselves as something that was actively good. Even Nazi concentration camp guards -- and those were hand-picked psychopaths -- got burned out, these nuns did not. That speaks to a level of cognitive dissonance that completely inverted morality, and that is something that's downright terrifying.
 
Ireland post famine was a very fucked up place.
The social history is important to trying to understand how dreadful conditions were for the majority of Irish people ....

Worth a read for anyone who wishes to understand how bad life was particularly from 1850's to the 1950's.

This article covers the industrial schools, the treatment of women, the extreme poverty and lack of services in Ireland up to relatively recently.
It's harrowing on so many levels..

http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk/isj91/horgan.htm
 
This sort of story is very hard to stomach. I have an Irish friend who for all the years I have known him has been violently damning and scathing of the
Irish Catholic Church. Being English a lot of what he says about the priests, Nuns and the Catholic Church goes over my head, this story here with the scale and history of neglect throws his rantings into a clear perspective.

Industrial schools in Ireland were still in use up until 1990!? What the fuck!
This resonates with me as I recently researched my family tree and discovered my great great grandfather was in an industrial school as a child. These schools were formed in place of workhouses and kids deemed as wayward or at the risk of delinquency were sent here.

God, I fucking hate religion......
 
That many children you have to wonder were they even being fed properly? Are the authorities not answerable for this? It seems like they just weren't cared for. It reminds me of those orphanages in the likes of Romania were the 'undesirable' (can't think of a better description) are just shunted off somewhere and left to decline. The lack of fucks given in the media coverage is just another blow to them. I wouldn't have heard about it except through U75. I'm struggling to understand the whole thing.
 
likesfish said:
These nuns believed what they were doing was righteous and holy. They believed that they were making the world a better place -- that even the children that died were better off dead than being raised by "unworthy", sinful single mothers, and that they were doing the most good possible by marshalling their resources to sell the healthy children to "good families" while leaving the weak to die.

Yes, they were making profit from this twisted endeavour, but they wouldn't have been able to keep doing it for decades on end unless they'd managed to justify it to themselves as something that was actively good. Even Nazi concentration camp guards -- and those were hand-picked psychopaths -- got burned out, these nuns did not. That speaks to a level of cognitive dissonance that completely inverted morality, and that is something that's downright terrifying.
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Who's got your log in?
 
Father Fintan Monaghan, secretary of the Tuam archediocese, says: "I suppose we can't really judge the past from our point of view, from our lens. All we can do is mark it appropriately and make sure there is a suitable place here where people can come and remember the babies that died."

Let's not judge the past on our morals, then, but on the morals of the time. Was it OK, in mid-20th century Ireland, to throw the bodies of dead children into sewage tanks? Monaghan is really saying: "don't judge the past at all". But we must judge the past, because that is how we learn from it.

Monaghan is correct that we need to mark history appropriately. That's why I am offering the following suggestions as to what the church should do to in response:
Do not say Catholic prayers over these dead children. Don't insult those who were in life despised and abused by you. Instead, tell us where the rest of the bodies are. There were homes throughout Ireland, outrageous child mortality rates in each. Were the Tuam Bon Secours sisters an anomalous, rebellious sect? Or were church practices much the same the country over? If so, how many died in each of these homes? What are their names? Where are their graves? We don't need more platitudinous damage control, but the truth about our history.
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http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...en-galway-mass-graves-ireland-catholic-church
 
Greebo said:
If they think that money can clean away the damage done to those children, not just before death but after it (nuns are supposed to believe that souls and an afterlife exist), they can think again. :mad:
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Agree, I was only highlighting the money aspect to show the level at which the Catholic Church runs to, billions of pounds they have. They are a religious mafia.
 
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