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mass grave of 800 infants found at Galway 'fallen women' home

Humberto said:
That many children you have to wonder were they even being fed properly? Are the authorities not answerable for this? It seems like they just weren't cared for. It reminds me of those orphanages in the likes of Romania were the 'undesirable' (can't think of a better description) are just shunted off somewhere and left to decline. The lack of fucks given in the media coverage is just another blow to them. I wouldn't have heard about it except through U75. I'm struggling to understand the whole thing.
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The Department of Education of the new state holds archives that are full of inspectors reports going back to the foundation of the first government.
There are letters from people including nuns, priests and brothers, working in the industrial schools telling about the cruelty and horrendous treatment of children. There are inspectors reports that detail what was going on. So why wasn't anything done?

The government ignored these complaints.
The State turned it's back on abuse.....
The sad fact is that physical, emotional and sexual abuse of children was everywhere....not just mother and child homes or industrial schools. It was happening in regular day schools
And it was happening in family homes.
Ireland was an absolute mess.
People were living in abject poverty. After the famine Ireland changed massively. I quoted an article in my previous post that describes the decline of irish society between 1850 and 1950. It's worth reading for anyone who really wants to know what went wrong. A culture of emmigration post famine. Extreme poverty. No employment. Young people forced into religious life not because of their faith but because it was a way out of their poverty.

Prior to the famine women in irish culture were pretty much equal to men. The church did not have a stranglehold on anyone pre 1850. People lived relatively happy lives. They married if they wanted to...or not. They lived together if they wanted to or not. Sex was not policed by the church. Post famine Ireland was a radically different place with mass emigration, huge loss of life, alterations in law specifically related to inheritance which was designed to minimise the previous system of equal division of land and confine land ownership to the minority .. all this was deliberately done and it led to extreme poverty for many and an emerging powerful middle class of irish land owners. These people fuelled a society that was totally different to pre famine Ireland. They also fed into strengthening the Catholic church in ways that were sinister.
Suddenly people were joining religious orders. The poor joined to escape their lives of poverty but were still treated like shit by the religious orders they joined. There was a class system within the religious orders. This movement dictated to society how they should live thereby influencing birh rates in an attempt to maintain the new status quo.

This entire situation was not about religion. It was and is about power, and land ownership. It is about the control of the working classes...control of people's sexuality and birth rates and a deliberate push to maintain a system that kept people down.
There was nothing for the vast majority of working class people. No work. No home. Nothing.
The governance of Ireland from 1850 to 1927 allowed this middle class to grow. They alllowed for a legal tenet which insisted on the single male heir system of land inheritence. This led to a burgeoning middle class and more extreme poverty for everyone else. There was NO industrial development. The British who ruled did so without any intervention. They did nothing to develop the country. ..having left millions to die or emigrate.
The civil war devastated the country. Brothers killing brothers.
Families torn apart.
The church was ready to step in and did. Turning people to them...but dictating how they should live in order to control and maintain their new found power.

Worth reading.......in its entirety. .▼▼▼

http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk/isj91/horgan.htm
 
Gingerman said:
http://www.independent.ie
Fucking nothing about it in the Irish Indo,more interested in celeb shite :mad:
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They have a couple of pieces now. This kind of apologia will become a bit harder to maintain if more of these sites are discovered.

It is convenient to blame the nuns in Tuam, and elsewhere, for what happened in such homes. Condemnation has been shrill. But at least the Bon Secours sisters put a roof over the heads of mothers and their children when they ran the home between 1926 and 1961.
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Ah sure they did their best.

Peculiar question posed by somebody in this piece about a forensic scientist.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-of-death-in-tuam-babies-expert-30331564.html
When asked if he could examine the theory that the bodies might date to famine times, Mr Knupfer said this was a possibility.
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Apparently the Garda don't see the need for a criminal investigation into 800 plus bodies in a septic tank.

http://philipboucher-hayes.com/2014/06/04/tuam-babies-the-evidence/

Hello Philip.

The grounds in Tuam were being surveyed in 2012 and bones were found, they are historical burials going back to Famine times, there is no suggestion of any impropiety and there is no Garda investigation. Also there is no confirmation from any source that there are between 750 and 800 bodies present.
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aqua said:
It just doesn't surprise me. Not when you consider that I suspect there are plenty who still see those children as embarrassing anod not deserving even now, let alone never questioning the church.
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I'm not sure that's entirely true?
People have been trying to come to terms with the exposure of horrendous cases of abuse in Ireland. Over the past ten or more years dreadful stories have been coming out.
Irish people are sickened and saddened by everything that has come to light.
People are at a stage of super saturation. They can't mentally deal with much more.
The ordinary Irishman or woman is physically and mentally sickened by this story ..... People are hurting and feel very deeply about these 800 deaths and many others.
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Coolfonz said:
I'm doubtful these children died of malnutrition. 800 children over 40 years? That is a child dying every ten days or so for forty years?
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Their death certificates say things like gastroenteritis, measles, whooping cough, pneumonia, fever convulsions as well as malnutrition. If you read the newspaper clippings about council meetings to do with the home from the time, they're mostly concerned with how much money is being wasted on these children and their mothers :mad:
 
Ugh, my quoting has gone to shit and I've just lost half of what I was trying to say. I don't know whether tapatalk is playing up or whether my fury has made me incompetent :facepalm:
 


“From the Registrar-General's report for 1924 it appears that one in every three illegitimate children born alive in 1924 died within one year of its birth, and that the mortality amongst these children is about five times as great as in other cases.”

It is because of the high death rate amongst illegitimate children that we want to establish some more effective control over the numerous maternity homes now operating. As Deputies are probably aware, these institutions take it upon themselves to dispose of and to board out these children. From the [1218] abnormally high death rate amongst this class of children one must come to the conclusion that they are not looked after with the same care and attention as that given to ordinary children.
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Coolfonz said:
I'm doubtful these children died of malnutrition. 800 children over 40 years? That is a child dying every ten days or so for forty years?
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Perfectly plausible, unfortunately. British workhouses (which also housed orphans in some cases) had deaths from malnutrition/the effects of malnutrition right up until they were closed down. We tend to forget that knowledge of correct nutrition back then was academic rather than public, and that feeding people consistently on a single type of food wasn't seen as harmful.
 
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