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mass grave of 800 infants found at Galway 'fallen women' home

weepiper said:
So cruel. No empathy whatsoever. These women, making other women suffer, in a way that they would never have to themselves. It's really hard to reconcile. I've had mastitis and it was possibly the illest I've ever felt without being hospitalised, until the antibiotics kicked in. How could someone deny painkillers and treatment for that? It's inhumane.
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I haven't felt the full force of this yet, it's just too much, like I can only take it in a bit at a time.
 
Buckaroo said:
Ok, I'll put it another way, many victims of church institutional abuse in Ireland weren't baptised but the idea that only children who weren't baptised became victims of such abuse is wrong. That's what's being said, that these children were victims because they weren't baptised. One line from a media report that this was just a religious thing, that it didn't involve the state, doctors, cops etc. That's the point I was trying to make.

eta Of the children that ended up in this institution, some would have been born out of wedlock and not baptised and others due to family break up, parental deaths, financial hardship and such but who were baptised. The BBC report you quote states that the children were denied baptism. Says who?
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Says every single report that I can find from the period. This was (as per the reports you've linked to) a home for pregnant unmarried women and their children. Not for children whose parents had died. Of course the whole community were complicit - you only have to read the original report weepiper posted. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make tbh. That there's no correlation between the babies being unbaptised and being dumped in an unmarked grave? I think that's a bit of a side issue tbh.


weepiper said:
I think we have to see it in the context of how unmarried mothers were generally treated in Ireland at that time. This is almost unreadable :(
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It wasn't just unmarried women who went through barbaric experiences in childbirth in Ireland: http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/col...o-childbearing-without-limits-401570-Apr2012/
BIG WARNING - this is an incredibly distressing article
 
trashpony said:
Says every single report that I can find from the period. This was (as per the reports you've linked to) a home for pregnant unmarried women and their children. Not for children whose parents had died. Of course the whole community were complicit - you only have to read the original report weepiper posted. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make tbh. That there's no correlation between the babies being unbaptised and being dumped in an unmarked grave? I think that's a bit of a side issue tbh.




It wasn't just unmarried women who went through barbaric experiences in childbirth in Ireland: http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/col...o-childbearing-without-limits-401570-Apr2012/
BIG WARNING - this is an incredibly distressing article
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That is sickening. the proceedure is horrific enough, but having had their pelvis broken, they were forced to get up and walk? And all because contraception is a sin...

If there is a god and it really would rather people did this to each other than wore condoms, then surely it's a god of evil.
 
weepiper said:
I think we have to see it in the context of how unmarried mothers were generally treated in Ireland at that time. This is almost unreadable :(
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that's just awful, so awful. it leaves me sad beyond words and angry beyond action. how can people behave like that?
 
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trashpony said:
Says every single report that I can find from the period. This was (as per the reports you've linked to) a home for pregnant unmarried women and their children. Not for children whose parents had died. Of course the whole community were complicit - you only have to read the original report weepiper posted. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make tbh. That there's no correlation between the babies being unbaptised and being dumped in an unmarked grave? I think that's a bit of a side issue tbh.




It wasn't just unmarried women who went through barbaric experiences in childbirth in Ireland: http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/col...o-childbearing-without-limits-401570-Apr2012/
BIG WARNING - this is an incredibly distressing article
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The main issue is obvious but this seems relevant. The Catholic church is big into baptism, a priest once told me it was just like vaccination. If decisions were made to discriminate between baptised and non-baptised as to disposal of bodies then I think it adds another dimension of complicity.
 
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trashpony said:
Says every single report that I can find from the period. This was (as per the reports you've linked to) a home for pregnant unmarried women and their children. Not for children whose parents had died. Of course the whole community were complicit - you only have to read the original report weepiper posted. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make tbh. That there's no correlation between the babies being unbaptised and being dumped in an unmarked grave? I think that's a bit of a side issue tbh.




It wasn't just unmarried women who went through barbaric experiences in childbirth in Ireland: http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/col...o-childbearing-without-limits-401570-Apr2012/
BIG WARNING - this is an incredibly distressing article
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what the fuck????
 
There was a report regarding this on BBC World Service earlier today but they ran short of time on the run up to the News just as it started getting interesting. From what I understood there are other children buried in "proper" graves that died in the same home. BBC also said that the death rate was in some cases four or five times the average and in another case which I didn't fully understand vastly more.
 
trashpony said:
Says every single report that I can find from the period. This was (as per the reports you've linked to) a home for pregnant unmarried women and their children. Not for children whose parents had died. Of course the whole community were complicit - you only have to read the original report weepiper posted. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make tbh. That there's no correlation between the babies being unbaptised and being dumped in an unmarked grave? I think that's a bit of a side issue tbh.




It wasn't just unmarried women who went through barbaric experiences in childbirth in Ireland: http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/col...o-childbearing-without-limits-401570-Apr2012/
BIG WARNING - this is an incredibly distressing article
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There need to be prosecutions, doctors struck off and private hospitals shut down for this obscenity. Barbaric bastards.
 
lost for words.............

maybe doctors should have to be atheists, so religious shite like this can't affect medical treatments.
 
I've not read the thread (not out of laziness or the sort of arrogance that means I don't think I need to, but because I've no internet), but this sort of thing isn't tied solely to the church and state in relatively backwards countries. Bristol radical history group have uncovered 3300 similarly disposed of bodies (mostly babies and children) from one Bristol workhouse from the 1850 to 1900 period. I would urge anyone to look at previous local history done on these things, hopefully the publicity from this latest discovery might kick start some wider recognition of the effects of punitive welfare measures.
 
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butchersapron said:
I've not read the thread (not out of laziness or the sort of arrogance that means I don't think I need to, but because I've no internet), but this sort of thing isn't tired solely to the church and state in relatively backwards countries. Bristol radical history group have uncovered 3300 similarly disposed of bodies (mostly babies and children) from one Bristol workhouse from the 1850 to 1900 period. I would urge anyone to look at previous local history done on these things, hopefully the publicity from this latest discovery might kick start some wider recognition of the effects of punitive welfare measures.
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Good point there haystacks, in Ireland it was mainly the church that committed atrocities, in England similar atrocities happened just not done by the catholic church - You're absolutely right to mention punitive welfare measures coz that's what this boils down to.
 
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butchersapron said:
I've not read the thread (not out of laziness or the sort of arrogance that means I don't think I need to, but because I've no internet), but this sort of thing isn't tied solely to the church and state in relatively backwards countries. Bristol radical history group have uncovered 3300 similarly disposed of bodies (mostly babies and children) from one Bristol workhouse from the 1850 to 1900 period. I would urge anyone to look at previous local history done on these things, hopefully the publicity from this latest discovery might kick start some wider recognition of the effects of punitive welfare measures.
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However it's not something that occurred 100 years ago. The last church run Magdeline center closed in Ireland in the 1990s. The Sisters of Mercy and other religious bodies who ran these homes for women are declining to pay compensation to their still living victims.

Furthermore the state gave generous benefits to the Bon Secours Sisters they received the average industrial wage per child in state benefits.
 
butchersapron said:
I've not read the thread (not out of laziness or the sort of arrogance that means I don't think I need to, but because I've no internet), but this sort of thing isn't tied solely to the church and state in relatively backwards countries. Bristol radical history group have uncovered 3300 similarly disposed of bodies (mostly babies and children) from one Bristol workhouse from the 1850 to 1900 period. I would urge anyone to look at previous local history done on these things, hopefully the publicity from this latest discovery might kick start some wider recognition of the effects of punitive welfare measures.
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Yep. I mentioned workhouse death-rates upthread - something I knew about from researching my family history, and finding out that my grandad and two great-aunts spent time as children in Guildford workhouse. Even then (19-teens) the child death-rate between the workhouse and the local charitable orphanage (funded by one of the railway companies) was starkly different.
 
It's dreadful how the true mesage of Christianity, "love your neighbour as yourself", have been lost completely by organised religion.

Read this today...it was a very organised system sponsored and paid for by the state. Nobody wanted them around. Their own families disowned them. Sociéty had no place for them. They weren't allowed work. They had no means of an income. Their children were not wanted. The women promised to work for their bed and board....and were not free to leave or even go outside without permission. Prisons for women and babies.....not homes.

https://rapevictimsofthecatholicchurch.wordpress.com/tag/mother-superior-of-the-sisters-of-mercy/
 
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