weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
the child mortality rate at Bessborough Home was nearly 70% in the 40s because the nuns in charge had no medical training at all
mass grave of 800 infants found at Galway 'fallen women' home
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equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Christ, that's horrific 
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
And furthererer...the first memorial (wider plans to mark are ongoing - memorial garden being the most important, another memorial on the old workhouse gates) is being unveiled 11.00am Monday 16 November at Rosemary Green, Eastville - warning BBC filming will be taking place. It's being put up on tuesday 10th if anyone wants to see it happening. Members have now also completed a book on this, so here's some other dates for anyone interested or who has been following this since i first posted about it:
Thursday 5 November, 7.00pm, The Rosemary Green Pauper Burial Ground at St Anne’s Church Hall, St Leonard's Rd, Greenbank, Bristol BS5 6JN. A presentation of research into the Poor Laws, Eastville Workhouse and the pauper graves at Rosemary Green by Steve Mills of Bristol Radical History Group.
• Tuesday 17 November, 2.00-6.00pm Opening the archive: Eastville Workhouse burial ground at Bristol Record Office (BRO), Smeaton Rd, Bristol, BS1 6XN. As part of Explore Your Archive week, a free drop-in session to see the archival records behind the project, meet members of Eastville Workhouse Memorial Group and hear about their research. The current BRO exhibition ‘Documenting Death’ (27 Oct - 12 March 2016) also features the workhouse burial ground project.
• Thursday 19 November, 7.00-9.00pm at the Friends Meeting House, Champion Square, Bristol BS2 9DB. Book launch for ‘100 Fishponds Rd: Life and death in Victorian Workhouse’ byRoger Ball, Di Parkin and Steve Mills. A presentation of the findings of the research into Eastville workhouse and Rosemary Green burial ground.
Thursday 5 November, 7.00pm, The Rosemary Green Pauper Burial Ground at St Anne’s Church Hall, St Leonard's Rd, Greenbank, Bristol BS5 6JN. A presentation of research into the Poor Laws, Eastville Workhouse and the pauper graves at Rosemary Green by Steve Mills of Bristol Radical History Group.
• Tuesday 17 November, 2.00-6.00pm Opening the archive: Eastville Workhouse burial ground at Bristol Record Office (BRO), Smeaton Rd, Bristol, BS1 6XN. As part of Explore Your Archive week, a free drop-in session to see the archival records behind the project, meet members of Eastville Workhouse Memorial Group and hear about their research. The current BRO exhibition ‘Documenting Death’ (27 Oct - 12 March 2016) also features the workhouse burial ground project.
• Thursday 19 November, 7.00-9.00pm at the Friends Meeting House, Champion Square, Bristol BS2 9DB. Book launch for ‘100 Fishponds Rd: Life and death in Victorian Workhouse’ byRoger Ball, Di Parkin and Steve Mills. A presentation of the findings of the research into Eastville workhouse and Rosemary Green burial ground.
Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
Tuam babies: 'Significant quantities' of human remains discovered at excavation site - Independent.ie
Evidence that babies and children were indeed buried in the septic tank.
Evidence that babies and children were indeed buried in the septic tank.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Just came here to post that Gavan Reilly report. Sickening doesn't even begin to cover it.I just wish our government would show a speck of backbone and use this as the rightful justification to seize and nationalise every catholic school in the country. The sisters of Mercy already owe tens of millions of euros in compensation, and quite clearly this is not an organisation that deserves or has the right to educate or care for children.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
Bloody hell.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
They were not Christian.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Nor then, are you - if you want to play that game.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i think you'll find they were christians
bubblesmcgrath
Well-Known Member
Bon Seconds sisters....
...not only have 800 bodies been found ..but it's known that they also sent 1000 children to Australia.
Horrific
...not only have 800 bodies been found ..but it's known that they also sent 1000 children to Australia.
Horrific
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
I'll think you'll find they were.
I had an afternoon screaming at Irish Independent columnist and all round piece of shit Mary Kenny. She said it was "society's fault" that these children suffered, because society mistreated these children, neglected them, abused them, and dumped their bodies in a shithole.
And even if you're going to blame "Irish Society" for abandoning these women, where exactly did Irish society get the idea that these girls and their babies were sinful, and wanton and fallen?
Fucking bitch.
Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
Quite.
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Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
If I tell you that my skin is purple, that does not make it so. These people no doubt said that they were Christian, that does not mean that they are. No Christian could possibly have done what they did.
Can you blame 'Irish Society'? Yes you can, because of the influence of the Roman Catholic Church incorporated into the constitution. That is one for another day though.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
That's only because you're imposing your definition of what you defend as the Christian faith, and excluding any elements you dislike.
These were members of an ordained order of one of the largest sects of the Christain faith. To claim that they aren't Christian when they're still an ordained order is excluding what is clearly a massive part of what the rest of the world define as clearly Christain.
Sasaferrato
Super Refuser!
OK. If you prefer, they did not behave in a manner that would be regarded as Christian.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
By who? God? You speak for him now?
bubblesmcgrath
Well-Known Member
The whole thing is horrific.
The local council knew what was going on...even in the 30's .
The local people knew...
The community knew....
There were tenders put out by the county board for coffins in 3 different sizes...
A society of people who doffed their caps to the "superiority" of priests, nuns and politicians. People too afraid to stand up for themselves for fear of upsetting their "superiors".
No doubt about it...Ireland was a sick twisted place. Society has as much to answer for this as the Bon Secours nuns and the Catholic Church.
Galway university ran experiments on these children. Pharmaceutical companies were allowed use them for experiments with drugs.
This place was an atrocity....
And it won't have been an isolated one. There will be more graves like these uncovered at other mother and baby homes.....
Catherine Corless gets my admiration for her courage and determination to uncovering the truth. Irish society was rotten to the core and in my view it still is.
The remnants of religious and political dominance over society still exist.
On a personal note, I believe in the true message of Christ...love one another....
It is a message that is lost.
The local council knew what was going on...even in the 30's .
The local people knew...
The community knew....
There were tenders put out by the county board for coffins in 3 different sizes...
A society of people who doffed their caps to the "superiority" of priests, nuns and politicians. People too afraid to stand up for themselves for fear of upsetting their "superiors".
No doubt about it...Ireland was a sick twisted place. Society has as much to answer for this as the Bon Secours nuns and the Catholic Church.
Galway university ran experiments on these children. Pharmaceutical companies were allowed use them for experiments with drugs.
This place was an atrocity....
And it won't have been an isolated one. There will be more graves like these uncovered at other mother and baby homes.....
Catherine Corless gets my admiration for her courage and determination to uncovering the truth. Irish society was rotten to the core and in my view it still is.
The remnants of religious and political dominance over society still exist.
On a personal note, I believe in the true message of Christ...love one another....
It is a message that is lost.
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
This was not an accident or a mistake, this was not merely neglect. This was thousands of children across several homes run by a religious order by a massive sect. You cant compare this to say ISIS (who make up about 1% ofMulsims).
You might not recognise them as Christian, but alot of people would.
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
You know fish, as an Irishman abroad people often say to me - "where's your kilt? do you ride to work on a wild haggis? what's Sasaferrato really like?
So, sometimes people do get mistaken for a Scotch-man, while not actually being a "true" Scotch-man.
But that would be an ecumenical issue.
To get back to the serious point here, Mary Kenny may be using Irish society as an excuse, but that doesn't let Irish society off the hook. A lot of very well-heeled people were quite happy to use the church as a crutch when it suited them. They may claim now that they're outraged by the dumping of wee kids in a fucking septic tank, but that's because it's decades to late for them to be asked to do anything about. Just wait until someone asks them if that means they intend to properly fund child protection services today.
Every Catholic country gets the catholic church it deserves, and sometimes they get it good and hard. El Salvador got Archbishop Romero, and we got the Bon Secours nuns.
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This story just gets sadder. More and more sick and twisted. No doubt it will get even worse.
People blaming religion have to put this into the context of the society the religion operated in. Pointing fingers at 'bad Christians' is fucking well stupid. I am no fan of organised religion, but even I can see that The Church here has been used by a very corrupt society. People often choose a faith in order to be forgiven to kill in war situations, but this is very different. No excuses at all - they are/were evil mother fuckers whether they believed, or not.
Also, I think it is important to appreciate that 50 years is a long time. There is no point in accusing people today who weren't even born when it happened. Ireland is a very different place now. Sure, it is still backwards in many ways. Almost every country in Europe is corrupt at the highest level, and if any good comes out of this then a total reform of childrens care in Ireland should happen.
Depressing stuff. 50 years is a long time, but still not long enough ago to be forgotten.
People blaming religion have to put this into the context of the society the religion operated in. Pointing fingers at 'bad Christians' is fucking well stupid. I am no fan of organised religion, but even I can see that The Church here has been used by a very corrupt society. People often choose a faith in order to be forgiven to kill in war situations, but this is very different. No excuses at all - they are/were evil mother fuckers whether they believed, or not.
Also, I think it is important to appreciate that 50 years is a long time. There is no point in accusing people today who weren't even born when it happened. Ireland is a very different place now. Sure, it is still backwards in many ways. Almost every country in Europe is corrupt at the highest level, and if any good comes out of this then a total reform of childrens care in Ireland should happen.
Depressing stuff. 50 years is a long time, but still not long enough ago to be forgotten.
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
8den
No I'm pretty sure that was 8ball...
Yeah Stan as usual fuck off. Irish society was controlled with an iron fist by the church. Through "soft power" from the pulpit to very real power having control over state bodies like hospitals schools & reform schools, laundries and even the censorship board. Our constitution was sent to the arch bishop for proof reading.
Yes Irish govt and society used these places as a convenient dumping ground for their problems. But where did we get the idea that say a teenage girl raped and now pregnant was a criminal.
Catholic dogma ruled the country. daughters and sisters were abandoned out of fear over being shunned by the community lead by the church.
You cannot point the finger of blame at "society" without acknowledging the dominant role the church played in our society.
Idris2002
Christmas Eve, you know?
No. There were crucial moments of crisis when the church suddenly found itself defied by the state - and the moments when these things happened were very revealing. During the teachers' strike of 1946, for example (I'm sure I must have mentioned this before), the church offered to mediate between the teachers' unions and the government of the day. That government (led by Dev, don't forget!) did not jump to attention, it simply ignored the church's offers.
Then there's the very strong relaxation of literary censorship in 1967, a decision taken by none other than Charlie Haughey himself. The Irish alibi of "sure it was all the church's fault, de church was all powerful loike, dere was nutting we could do loike" simply won't do.
Erm... thanks for the politeness. Most helpful.
Can you not see that the very words you have written are exactly what I am talking about. The Church is to blame for all wrongs because?
Religion has always been used to police societies. The fear of God used to work very well. Don't blame the religion - blame those controlling it.
I went to a conference last year on institutional abuse and an ex-nun presented this paper exploring how abusive states of mind develop in these kinds of institutions:
http://aspd-incontext.org/wp-conten...IN-THE-INSTITUTION-C-Metcalf-Feb-2016-003.pdf
It's from a psychoanalytic perspective. The writer came to England and studied at the Tavistock in London and was in her own psychotherapy as part of the process of her research.
http://aspd-incontext.org/wp-conten...IN-THE-INSTITUTION-C-Metcalf-Feb-2016-003.pdf
It's from a psychoanalytic perspective. The writer came to England and studied at the Tavistock in London and was in her own psychotherapy as part of the process of her research.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Isis are 1% of Muslims? There's 16m isis? What's your source, caller?
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