mass grave of 800 infants found at Galway 'fallen women' home

[aqua]

my great uncle died from marasmus when he was 2 months old in 1926(ish). Not in Ireland but I remember being told he died at birth when he didn't at all. The family were quite poor but not that poor so I agree with weepiper, I wonder if it was reflux, or just poor breastfeeding technique at a time when there was no real alternatives around.

So sad whatever the cause

 

[Greebo]

my great uncle died from marasmus when he was 2 months old in 1926(ish). <snip> I wonder if it was reflux, or just poor breastfeeding technique at a time when there was no real alternatives around.

So sad whatever the cause

It could've been a combination of the two. There might also have been a bit of a cleft palate, a tongue tie, or other unnoticed (and untreatable) disability which made breastfeeding very difficult. Also bear in mind that the correct proportions of salt and sugar for rehydration weren't worked out until the 1950s.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

Marasmus is listed as "from birth" in the ten cases.
Which could mean the infants were born underweight, malnourished and weak.....this may have been the result of poor nutrition on the part of their mothers.
There are also 2 cases of influenza with marasmus.

It's very very sad to think these little ones lived such short lives and were also neglected after death

 

[equationgirl]

That so many died of what were in many cases treatable illnesses even then is so desperately sad

 

[eatmorecheese]

These poor children, these souls. Born as ghosts, treated as a stain on the conscience from the moment of conception. The sheer perversity of it is so difficult to process.

The ideal way forward, for a start, would be the recognition and memorial to all the names of the forgotten. A fight for complete transparency. Only then can this history be understood, processed and put in context.

Break down the doors of the Confessional. All clergy must know that duty under the law regarding child protection and safeguarding is not negotiable.

Never again.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

That so many died of what were in many cases treatable illnesses even then is so desperately sad

I was just looking at the deaths of babies with coeliac disease...and wondering at the fact it was even recognised back then?

It's very sad to think that children died from flu, whooping cough and measles when we take it pretty much for granted nowadays that these are treatable and preventable...at least in first world countries. It's a fucking disgrace that children are still dying of these diseases anywhere in the world.
Slightly off topic but......

MMR is around since 1971
Flu vaccines
Tb killed 10000 a year in Dublin alone in the 1930's to 1950's .
It wasnt until 1948 that there was an attempt to screen people for tb and a sanitorium was set up.

I think to be honest..Ireland was probably far behind the UK and europe when it came to health.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/health/the-silent-terror-that-consumed-so-many-128709.html

 

[Betsy]

Hope this is not too off-topic for this thread but I thought some on here might like to have a listen to this..
.
On Radio 4 this morning

Hail Marys and Miniskirts

For every thousand Irish men who came to work on Britain's building sites in the 1950s and 60s, over a thousand women came too. They arrived to find an economic boom - and the swinging sixties just around the corner.

While the majority simply wanted jobs, others sought a personal freedom not possible at home. But there was also a dark underside to this surge in emigration - those who fled Ireland because they were pregnant outside of marriage or were refugees from religious institutions, including the notorious Magdalene laundries.

From their encounters with new fashions and the social and sexual freedoms of English cities, to the issues some face in old age, they tell their stories to Orla Barry with a verve that's unique to elderly Irish women.

And, as you would expect, there's singing and music along the way.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b046l696

 

[grit]

those who fled Ireland because they were pregnant outside of marriage or were refugees from religious institutions, including the notorious Magdalene laundries.

To an extent this still goes on today due to the abortion legislation.

 

[weepiper]

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/soci...er-seven-years-1.1840174#.U6U6xqoknxc.twitter

Nearly half of the children born at Pelletstown Mother and Baby Home in Dublin in 1925 and 1927 died.

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

To an extent this still goes on today due to the abortion legislation.

And these dreadful events are being used by the abortion lobbyists over here.

 

[butchersapron]

Further to my post about bristol last week, we got this in the paper.

And even further to this:

Remembering Eastville Workhouse
Date: Thursday 28th August, 2014
Time: 7:30 pm
Price: Free
Part of: Miscellaneous 2014
Public meeting

St Anne's Church, St Leonards Road, Greenbank, Bristol, BS5 6JN

Over the last two years local historians from Bristol Radical History Group (BRHG) have been researching an old burial ground that lies on Rosemary Green (BS5 6LB) between Rosemary Lane and Greenbank View in Greenbank, East Bristol.

It appears that upwards of 3,000 paupers from the Eastville Workhouse (originally 100 Fishponds Rd) were buried in unmarked graves on the site between 1855 and 1895. BRHG believe the graves remain on the site and we plan to commemorate these forgotten people in some public events in the autumn this year.

We are interested to find out your views, any memories or information you may have about the old Workhouse and any ideas about best to commemorate these people. This public meeting is a forum to discuss these issues and an opportunity to get involved. So come along and find out more about our local history and have your say.

 

[marty21]

Hope this is not too off-topic for this thread but I thought some on here might like to have a listen to this..
.
On Radio 4 this morning

Hail Marys and Miniskirts

For every thousand Irish men who came to work on Britain's building sites in the 1950s and 60s, over a thousand women came too. They arrived to find an economic boom - and the swinging sixties just around the corner.

While the majority simply wanted jobs, others sought a personal freedom not possible at home. But there was also a dark underside to this surge in emigration - those who fled Ireland because they were pregnant outside of marriage or were refugees from religious institutions, including the notorious Magdalene laundries.

From their encounters with new fashions and the social and sexual freedoms of English cities, to the issues some face in old age, they tell their stories to Orla Barry with a verve that's unique to elderly Irish women.

And, as you would expect, there's singing and music along the way.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b046l696

will listen to this - My Dad came over in 1955 and my mum in 1958 , it'll be too complicated to explain to them how to listen to it tbf, they were both teenagers when they came over 15 &16 , basically because there was no work over there and they didn't want to stay on at school

 

[Betsy]

will listen to this - My Dad came over in 1955 and my mum in 1958 , it'll be too complicated to explain to them how to listen to it tbf

It's been a while since this was broadcast,marty...I don't think it will still be available on Listen Again.

 

[marty21]

It's been a while since this was broadcast,marty...I don't think it will still be available on Listen Again.

oops, should have looked at the date of your post

 

[Coolfonz]

And even further to this:

Remembering Eastville Workhouse
Date: Thursday 28th August, 2014
Time: 7:30 pm
Price: Free
Part of: Miscellaneous 2014
Public meeting

St Anne's Church, St Leonards Road, Greenbank, Bristol, BS5 6JN

Over the last two years local historians from Bristol Radical History Group (BRHG) have been researching an old burial ground that lies on Rosemary Green (BS5 6LB) between Rosemary Lane and Greenbank View in Greenbank, East Bristol.

It appears that upwards of 3,000 paupers from the Eastville Workhouse (originally 100 Fishponds Rd) were buried in unmarked graves on the site between 1855 and 1895. BRHG believe the graves remain on the site and we plan to commemorate these forgotten people in some public events in the autumn this year.

We are interested to find out your views, any memories or information you may have about the old Workhouse and any ideas about best to commemorate these people. This public meeting is a forum to discuss these issues and an opportunity to get involved. So come along and find out more about our local history and have your say.

Fantastic work you folks have done there.

 

[Casually Red]

havent the stamina to go through the entire thread but people here are actually aware the hundreds of babies in the septic tank headline was made up sensationalism and a total fabrication ?? just like the ebola outbreak in Donegal and the no Irish need apply signs on Polish building sites ?

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/soci...e-with-the-septic-tank-story-1.1823393?page=3

apols if already posted

 

[Casually Red]

As long as it's not passing the buck. This was the fault of the Irish establishment and Irish society.

this would be the same irish establishment who were armed to the teeth by Churchill and put in power with British artllery and the churches blessing and support...opponents not only executed but excommunicated to boot..with one hand washing the other . The British state had a major role in creating the irish state and its ultra conservative anti republican anti egalitarian ethos...a vichy contraption if ever there was...
The age old shit eating irish tradition of looking the other way has never been confined to the RC establishment as many of us in the north know too well . Whether its abused kids n schools or dead families on the streets of Dublin and Monaghan ts always been the same old story . The church is merely one layer of that rotten onion getting peeled . And theres plenty who will fight tooth and nail to ensure other layers arent . Or just quietly look the other way and say nothing..just like their parents and grandparents did before them . Bred into them .

 

[Casually Red]

What, is it beyond you, to try comprehend the Social and Economic reasons to why this happened? Why this workhouse which I could nearly guarantee you has been in operation since before the famine and 'will have more mass graves in it, beyond the one with children', filled with people of all ages, just like every other workhouse in Ireland, ended up like this.

This is barely the tip of iceberg, every workhouse in every town in Ireland has stories like this to tell, if not even worse.

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Ireland/

those places were fucking death camps under the British . Literally millions were deliberately killed in them . People were deliberately worked to death in their millions there...breaking rocks and doing pontless work on starvation rations with the sole purpose of killing them off because the populaton was too high. So bad that families preferred to starve to death on the roadside rather than set foot in one . Theres literally millions of corpses disposed off in mass graves that have never been marked i pass one everyday and youd have no idea how those people even died or how many were even tossed into it. Usual reign of silence from polite society .

and famine my arse..the country was full of food the entire time . The food supply was removed at the point of a foreign bayonet .

 

[Casually Red]

They weren't under Irish govt control, the nuns has these places run as private fiefs

are you seriously claiming the church bought these workhouses from the British ? Or squatted in them...like latter day crusties ?

who gave them to them and afforded them control ? and who forcibly brought back the inmates that escaped...against their will with no crime committed ? To all intents and purposes the RC was an institution of the free state . They could keep you prisoner ..an internee..and the cops brought you there and kept you there .

 

[quiquaquo]

those places were fucking death camps under the British . Literally millions were deliberately killed in them . People were deliberately worked to death in their millions there...breaking rocks and doing pontless work on starvation rations with the sole purpose of killing them off because the populaton was too high. So bad that families preferred to starve to death on the roadside rather than set foot in one . Theres literally millions of corpses disposed off in mass graves that have never been marked i pass one everyday and youd have no idea how those people even died or how many were even tossed into it. Usual reign of silence from polite society .

and famine my arse..the country was full of food the entire time . The food supply was removed at the point of a foreign bayonet .

Excuse my ignorance but how can there be "literally millions" in mass graves if the population was only about 6 million at its high point? That would be the equivalent of tens of millions here in Britain, would it not be known by all Rwanda genocide style?

 

[goldenecitrone]

Excuse my ignorance but how can there be "literally millions" in mass graves if the population was only about 6 million at its high point? That would be the equivalent of tens of millions here in Britain, would it not be known by all Rwanda genocide style?

It is known as that. In the parallel universe of CRs brain.

 

[8den]

It is known as that. In the parallel universe of CRs brain.

And the priests took control of the potato factories.

He's a fucking nutcase.

 

[Casually Red]

Excuse my ignorance but how can there be "literally millions" in mass graves if the population was only about 6 million at its high point? That would be the equivalent of tens of millions here in Britain, would it not be known by all Rwanda genocide style?

the recorded population...those they managed to actually get onto the census n the early 1840s was over 8 millon pre holocaust..and thats a conservatve estmate because many of the poorest avoided the census and officialdom lest they be taxed . Many people werent even recorded..many more born after that who werent around for the next census because they were dead . Roughly a quarter of the population had gone in the space of a few years .

 

[Casually Red]

And the priests took control of the potato factories.

He's a fucking nutcase.

who gave the church the workhouses

 

[8den]

the recorded population...those they managed to actually get onto the census n the early 1840s was over 8 millon pre holocaust..and thats a conservatve estmate because many of the poorest avoided the census and officialdom lest they be taxed . Many people werent even recorded..many more born after that who werent around for the next census because they were dead . Roughly a quarter of the population had gone in the space of a few years .

But Millions deliberately killed in them? Source for any of that?

 

[quiquaquo]

Missed the "potato factories", was Keogh's up and running in the mid 19th century.

 

[8den]

Missed the "potato factories", was Keogh's up and running in the mid 19th century.

Fr Ted joke; "and the Pope closed down a lot of the factories that were makin' the potatoes"

 

[Casually Red]

Missed the "potato factories", was Keogh's up and running in the mid 19th century.

why are you and the west brit making jokes about potatoes ? Neither potatoes nor the lack of them killed a single person .

 

[quiquaquo]

the recorded population...those they managed to actually get onto the census n the early 1840s was over 8 millon pre holocaust..and thats a conservatve estmate because many of the poorest avoided the census and officialdom lest they be taxed . Many people werent even recorded..many more born after that who werent around for the next census because they were dead . Roughly a quarter of the population had gone in the space of a few years .

Same as now in the UK, my point stands.

 

[8den]

why are you and the west brit making jokes about potatoes ? Neither potatoes nor the lack of them killed a single person .

Bless, you love slinging invectives don't you. The Potato was the staple crop in Ireland.

Now a source for the millions deliberately killed in the workhouse please.

Or are you just making up more shite this morning?